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1864 Small Or Large Motto Identification Help

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Hi I have a couple of 1864 2 cent pieces which someone sold me saying that there are some small mottos
can you please help me identify?
thank you very much!

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4. low grade

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They all appear to be Large Mottos to me. Cant really see enough detail on the last one, but from what I do see, it looks like a large motto.
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5. barely visible
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all are large motto---
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All look like large motto.
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I also see all large motto's
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Agree, all Large.



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When in doubt,a few more pick up points,

Two berries show on the lower left set of leaves on a genuine small motto.
The large motto piece only will show one.

The feathers on the lower end of the arrows should be checked as well. The large motto piece will display three feathers on the outside of the arrow and four on the inside. Genuine small motto coins will show three feathers on the outside and five on the inside of the left arrow. The right arrow should show four on the outside and five on the inside.

The design is also higher up on the small motto where the ribbon is closer to the rim than the Large motto. Can be seen even on worn coins. just takes some practice to get an eye for it.
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All appear to be large mottos.
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Yep all of these shown are the large motto designs, no small mottos at all.
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, Welcome to the Community.
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My identification ket is the outer leaf in the cluster below GOD (or where GOD should be) On the large motto that leaf is small, thin, and follows the curve of the leaf below. On the small motto it is thick, bulges, and is close to the ribbon. Once you are familiar with this you can spot a small motto even on coins in Fr-2. (The ribbon protects that leaf and the shape is easily visible even on very low grade coins)
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