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Are all the Wide AMs from Philly? and why?
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Yes so far it appears that way. What was their problem. Did they get the proof dies mixed up? Actually when the proof dies did wear a little instead of tossing them they release it to the high production department.
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02/09/2009 7:54 pm
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Hi Rockdude,

I am curious as to where that information came from. To my knowledge, this was simply a mistake involving a mixup of dies.

It didn't involve proof dies wearing and being intentionally used for circulation strikes.

There is a 1999 S proof, Close AM die variety, for example struck with dies intended to be used for circulation.

I think there was a mixup but I don't believe it was intentional.

Thanks,
Bill
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02/09/2009 10:18 pm
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OK I was in a hurry when I wrote that and I remember reading it somewhere and yea it should have read;

Actually when the proof die is made but some how 'not up to standard' they will release it to the high production department instead of throwing it away.

Here's a quote from another member from the other forum "the Mints had a lot of Die failures and some Proof Dies were sent back to Phiiladelphia for use in minting Business Strike Cents,"
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I guess there's the possibility of some truth in that statement, but the thing that has always confused me regarding the whole wide-AM and close-AM thing is that they are described as 'proof dies' and that 'proof dies' were released for business strike production - however - where's the evidence?

Proof dies are always much sharper than business strike dies. Proof dies have the polished fields, cameo devices, etc. - things that NONE of the mismatched reverse cents show.

I still stand my ground that the dies used for the incorrect reverse cents might have been business strike dies created with hubs designed for proofs (and vice versa), but the dies themselves were always intended for the production they made.

And as to why the Denver mint is not involved in this for the better part - because the Denver mint has a die shop and makes their own dies...and to my knowledge does not make proof dies for San Francisco. No reason to have proof hubs there.
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My understanding is that proofs have sharper detail because they're struck twice. How they produce the frosting and the mirror finish, I have no idea. I had no idea the Denver mint made their own dies. That makes sense now as to why the WAMs aren't coming out of the D mints.
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I wonder on the original three WAM's 98,99,2000
if each reverse has it's own distinct attributes ?
And if anyone actually studies them. I'm sure they were all
business strike dies myself due to the lack of proof detail.
The same would be true for the 92 CAM ?
Then the 98 and 99 S Close AM's were business revs' ?
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