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Recently Bought This Toonie, Can Someone Tell Me What I Have?

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 Posted 11/23/2022  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Our Canadian moderator SPP Ottawa, has access to XRF try contacting him, or some large coin or gold stores will have an XRF not sure CCCS in Canada has a XRF. The US graders PCGS and NGC surely has but it cost a lot to grade one coin along with rather expensive shipping when you are not 100% sure of what you have. Which auction, the major Canadian auctions would have surely tested this coin, it sticks out like a sore thumb in a good way
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 Posted 11/23/2022  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is the outer part of the 'ring' attracted to a magnet?
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 Posted 11/23/2022  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t_y to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No need to XRF. This is a plated twoonie.

There's a core and a ring with clear gap between them.

Don't believe me? Get a magnet: the ring for sure is magnetic and the core is not.
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 Posted 11/23/2022  11:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cancoins340 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I apeciate your opinion and all the help but in this case I dont really think the magnet test means much. Yes the outside is magnetic, and the core isn't. We've pretty much already confirmed it's not on a loonie. However as Ive said and shown the center and outside are slight different colours, if this coin was plated it would be all one colour, or the outer ring would have to have been plated before it was assembled. Also a loonie is magnetic, so if this was a toonie planchet punched from loonies stock it would still be magnetic on the outside and not the center so the magnet test really tells nothing other than it isn't on a full loonie blank. I don't know how you would just plate the outside ring. I've checked it with the microscope, there is a distinct difference between the halves, no sign thT plating crossed over onto the center or didn't reach the center. It looks like a legit toonie, just wrong color. As for the auction it was a small local auction. Several times a year they have coin auctions so I doubt they spent much money on research.
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 Posted 11/23/2022  11:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cancoins340 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that xrf is what is needed to solve this one way or another. The coin is in great shape and the flip it came in wasn't new by any means. It's been in someone's colection for a long time. There is some green starting on the center section as well.
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 Posted 11/24/2022  12:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sometimes the most simple test of a magnet will also tell the tale, since the core is not magnetic you have a plated coin, collectors in the Toronto area has access to many dealers with XRF kind of forgot of the easiest magnet test.
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 Posted 11/24/2022  12:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cancoins340 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How would you plate only the outside ring of a coin? Besides that you can see the lines on the planchet like a German variety, wouldn't that be smoothed out by a plating job?
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 Posted 11/24/2022  12:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like plating drippings along the rim above CANADA and ELIZABETH. Both sides of the normal twoonie have smooth rims.
Easiest test - scratch the edge.
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 Posted 11/24/2022  12:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cancoins340 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also a loonie is plated, so a planchet made from loonie stock would be plated but if it was assembled my the mint would still be an error not somebody's crafting project. I would like to get it checked out. Everything to me looks like it was made this way, what it's made from and how it happened who knows.
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 Posted 11/24/2022  12:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cancoins340 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes I noticed the rim. Still don't know how you only plate half a coin though, the center is defintly darker and the effort it would take to not get any plating on the center seems crazy.
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 Posted 11/24/2022  01:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cancoins340 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Took it out and did a scratch test, it does look plated so I guess that answers that, thanks for the info, still would love to know how they did it.
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 Posted 11/24/2022  06:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I emailed the King of the toonies (t_y. above) who actually HAS one of the few known toonies with a loonie planchet and he says no for the same reason that I did. The OP coin has a separate core that you can plainly see. Go back and look at the link that John posted above and you can see that the real ones have NO core. It's just a fully struck coin from a single planchet. "t_y." has been singled out for his toonie collection and toonie errors, as well as the lectures that he gives to the RCNA folks and gatherings. He's the guru, so believe him, since there's no better..

It is very easy to remove the core from a toonie. You see them all the time with the sides reverse. All they had to do was remove the core, plate the ring and then reassemble using heat and cold. The plating would be a slightly different color because the plating alloy didn't come from the mint. It was a neat garage or lab job.
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 Posted 11/24/2022  07:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t_y to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A light plating explains the difference in tone between the ring and the core.

(virtual blush for Okie's kind words)
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 Posted 11/24/2022  08:32 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am highly doubtful that this is legit. I have seen high school kids make that same "error" in chemistry class. It would be easy to selectively plate the ring, look at all the aftermarket intricate selective gold plating you see on some coins.


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Would a grading company do xrf testing as part of the process or does one have to find someone else for that?


You have to find someone to do this.


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I only paid 7$ for this


That's the biggest red flag for me.
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 Posted 11/26/2022  02:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
UM, the poster already said the scratch test showed it was plated.

The two different metals would take the plating differently, which would account for the different colour. One could attract a thicker coat (probably the core which is rougher).
OR
When painting, a dark or light base coat changes the look of the colour on a thin coat of paint - could be the same thing here for a thin plating coat.
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