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Valued Member
United States
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Hi all, recent pick up on this large cent. She's got a few minor hits, barely noticable in hand, She weighs out at 10.85 grams, diameter is correct, just a tad below 28mm. She looks incredable in hand and I see no obvious signs of cleaning. What would you grade her?   Thanks for looking. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Not really on board with the color.
Otherwise, a superb example of the variety's hallmarks, showcasing the massive circular die crack and flow lines. Some minor nicks and dings, and a fairly noticeable dent above NT on the reverse.
The area to the left of the bust concerns me a bit as well. I'd really like @carrscoins to see this one and offer his thoughts.
High AU details, questionable color.
Longhorn Coins & Exonumia Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
03/30/2023 8:08 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Out of my league. I'll yield to @paralyse on the analysis. To me, most attractive.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10318 Posts |
Honestly, I'd defer to CarrsCoins, GERMANICVS, burfle23, or another member with a lot of experience in high grade early copper.
This is too close for me to tell. It IS a fairly common date and variety in Uncirculated grades, but I just can't get over the feeling that the "blotchy" areas around the stars and some of the devices are not signs of recoloring.
Longhorn Coins & Exonumia Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Valued Member
United States
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I'll concur with AU-details. The surfaces look a bit off - as if they've been smoothed. I hope it wasn't whizzed, but I just don't know enough to tell for sure. Take my grade with a grain of salt.
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Valued Member
United States
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I'm horrible at taking pics of copper. Retook them under different light, not sure if these will help or hurt your opinions.   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm by no means an EAC expert, but the color does not look natural, nor do the surfaces. Bust has a lightly polished look to it, stripped of its original skin. I'm at AU Details. Curious what others say as well.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I'm with Ty2020b on this one. it appears that all of the original surfaces have been removed. looking at the profile as well as several of the stars they have the melted look of being polished. the rims on both sides look like they were hit by some type of polishing device to make those marks
I'm at AU (details) cleaned/polished
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Pillar of the Community
Germany
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Unfortunately, if those tones reflect the way this coin looks in hand, then, in my opinion, one can safely conclude the coin was at least dipped, and then, (possibly), something else done to the surfaces, with light polishing being a possibility. That shiny golden/orange tone is not natural for copper. Cleaned, early copper is typically various shades of either pink, unnatural red/gold, or shrill orange in color. I am attaching pictures of 5 middle/late date large cents, all in high grade, showing various tones. The first one is an 1856 showing surface colour reminiscent of the OP coin. This coin was unfortunately mistreated in some way, (although not quite as dramatically). The other 4 coins all display various shades of toning, typical of what you may see in original, unmolested high grade coins of that era. I am attaching these for comparison. This coin was cleaned at some stage:  In my opinion, these 4 coins are fully original (the 1819 is more subdued in hand).     Edited by GERMANICVS
03/31/2023 12:54 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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Yeah, this is all in my lighting, as the color looks nothing like the cleaned one, Germanicvs posted. The color is similar to the pink hues of color, on panzaldi icon image. I think it's the close ups, with the amount of light throwing it off. I work on getting more distant shot to see if I can get the color more true.
pick to pink, ugh
Edited by eaglebub7
03/31/2023 5:34 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
756 Posts |
1818 n-10. randall hoard coin. tons of meat. has a couple problems. i agree with the concerns about color. in addition to the concerns about color/ surface I also think the nicks would hold this one back. there are scattered nicks on both sides of the coin. since this coin is a hoard coin people are pretty tough on them grade wise. there are a LOT of nice ones out there to choose from. here is my n-10. its a bit soft on the strike and has some nicks but I like the color a lot. the randall hoard coins often come splotchy so finding choice color can take a bit of time.   I collect low grade large cents. I currently have >230 Sheldon varieties and >235 middle date Newcomb varieties.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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There are seemingly a lot of prominent striations on both sides. I would say that she's spent some amount of time in a sandy soil and not a lot of time in circulation. The color just isn't right. I would say it's been dipped and polished.
AU - Details
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The striations are flow lines and normal for the coin.
Longhorn Coins & Exonumia Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yes, I know that paralyse.  ..It just seems that it has an over-abundance of them! Edited by dsking
04/01/2023 11:24 am
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