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Town Office Refuses To Accept Prez Dollars

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 Posted 07/02/2009  07:57 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add oshelt to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Went to register my wife's car yesterday, and needed a few singles, and as I have taken to carrying a few direct purchase Prezzies with me to generate interest, I pulled out some to use, only to be told flatly that they (the town office) had orders from the selectmen and the towns bank not to accept them. This is really effective in introducing our citizens to carry and use the new dollars huh? Besides which, being legal tender, I thought Federal law required all people to accept them in "payment of debt both PUBLIC and private." Now I realize that us hicks up here in Maine might not be the most sophisticated or the most current and up to date on American trends, but this makes me wonder exactly what is going on in this country.
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 Posted 07/02/2009  09:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Electric_Op_Ltd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No way Jose! Legal tender indeed! Tell the townfolk and Selectmen you have a federal case against them.

Or better yet leave the prezzies home, only collectors want them. Kinda like the Large Cent vs. Small Cent debacle of the 19th Century. Only then, collectors didn't even want the LC's and the Legal Tender status of those things was vague.

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 Posted 07/02/2009  09:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A business can refuse to take specific forms of coins and currency.

For example, the pizza place near my house has a "No $100 Bills" sign posted on the wall behind the register. oshelt would find it ironic that this same pizza place tenders a fair amount of 26.5mm Dollar coins. The Denver Light Rail system dispenses those coins as change instead of bills, and it seems that in my neighborhood the Light Rail riders favor buying a pizza with their Dollar coin change. The pizza place people always sell me the coins out of their drawer (if they have them), since I use them at the car wash.

The only problem I've had with using Dollar coins in Denver was when a cashier at a computer store had not ever seen a Dollar coin and called his manager to verify that my BU Martin Van Buren Dollars were legal tender.

It sounds like oshelt's local bank doesn't want to deal with Dollar coins. I have the same problem. My local credit union doesn't carry Dollar coins either (and this is a major credit union in a large city!), so sometimes I end up going to the Denver Mint just to get car wash coins...

If your town office wishes to decline payments of Dollar coins (at their bank's behest), they should post a sign stating "No Dollar Coins".

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Tell the townfolk and Selectmen you have a federal case against them.

oshelt would have no basis for a 'case' if they had a sign posted as above, but since they only refused them verbally, he can say that their refusal of legal tender is 'arbitrary'. In other words, if he made a civil case (not a 'federal case') out of this, they might have to take his Dollar coins (just that once) and subsequently post such a sign as a condition of a settlement.
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07/02/2009 09:26 am
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think you may need to run for public office Oshelt
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well tell your selectmen that unless you are handing them bags full of 1000 one dollar coins that they must accept any kind of legal tender.

Im pretty sure that its a law.

Nice to see another Mainer on the forums as well, we down here in minot however would accept the prez dollars at the town offce.
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07/02/2009 10:10 am
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That is really ridiculous There is no legitimate reason(other than the need to create useless rules) for refusing to accept a few dollar coins, it is not like you are trying to pay your real estate taxes with a couple thousand of them...

And what exactly is a selectman? (apparently a powertripper...)

You should discuss the matter with the mayor and city treasurer, they should have more sway than some paper pusher.
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Refuse to pay the registration then. Wait for the ticket you will get for having the expired registration, then present your case in court. You tried to pay for the registration but they refused your payment.

I wonder how far it will go.

Be sure to find a lawyer that has no problem making an example of useless government bullying!
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 Posted 07/02/2009  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I paid my Personal Property taxes last year in "gold" dollars. Sacs and prez dollars both. The girls in the office were ooing and Ahing and buying them up for their kids. I'd gone to six or seven banks to come up with the 180 or so I needed.

This sounds more like somebody tried to make a statement and pay their taxes in coin and made themselves a pain in the rear.
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Wow, where do you live that your property taxes are so low? That is for a house?
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I understand the reasoning for businesses such as a gas station or other small business not wanting to accept LARGE bills but refusing coins seems unjustified. They are legal tender and they must be accepted as such as far as I'm concerned. I am thinking about going to my second bank I am with and seeing about getting a roll of dollar coins to so I can spend them and get these bad boys circulating. I usually get a pretty good reception from the cashiers about them. A few weeks ago at the gas station the cashier was oohing over a 50 cent piece I used and she bought it from the till!
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The U.S. won't have a circulating dollar coin until it withdraws the dollar bill.

It's a simple matter, but for whatever reason, there is this persistence to keep printing singles at the same time zillions of dollar coins are being minted.

I don't understand why this is so hard.

When we quit printing the dollar bills, there was a little grumbling, but within a year this stopped. When we quit printing the two dollar bills, there was a little more grumbling about their marginally heavier weight and the need for reinforced pockets, but this also stopped within a year.

You guys don't have the latter problem, because you don't have a deuce that circulates, but it is likely that this would even change if the dollar bill was killed.

Go figure -- almost 25 years on, and -- surprise! surprise! -- the world didn't end, the earth wasn't kicked off it's axis, the sun sill rises in the east, and all is good.

Other western countries have killed their lowest-value note in favour of a coin (UK, Ireland, Australia, NZ) with no ill effect, yet the U.S. persists in keeping a useless note in production...why?
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Canada and other countries have successfully dropped the $1 and $2 notes with coins and the world didn't come to an end. Coins are more durable than their paper counterparts.
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Could it be because the Mass. democrats have Crane & Co. in their constituency? As in if we get rid of the $1 bill (that would take an act of congress) then Crane would lose massive amounts of money because they print $1 more than anything else (and get paid by the note) and the senators and congressmen there would fear losing their seats?
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WpgLwr said : The U.S. won't have a circulating dollar coin until it withdraws the dollar bill.


This is simply the basic overall statement that is at play here......
Americans by majority including businesses just don't like or want "dollar coins".
It can never be a true circulating dollar (to the extent they'd like) until this happens, I'm guessing.
The best thing to do, is to remove the "choice" by eliminating the F.R.N.....but that isn't going to happen any time soon in the foreseeable future.....
SO.........we're going to be left with the same fate as the Suzy B, and the Sacagawea dollar......they will go NIFC or cease to be Minted !
Yes, they brought back the Sac with a redesign and are calling it the Native American dollar......but will this change the end result ? I doubt it.
And I really doubt that Oshelt's experience is the only one in the country.....in fact there are a lot of these experiences and they will keep increasing until they're "done away with" again.
It's just futile and wasteful unless and until there's no more choice to use them.
Of course, keep in mind, as I've said before......the big scheme and plan may be to "stock the coffers" with billions in Dollar coins so that when they do eliminate the FRN, the "transition" will be pre-prepared already and much easier to carry out.
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The T down in Boston gives out dollar coins for change when loading a charlie card. I got some the other day on my way back from Houston. We had to take the T over to Fenway to get my wifes car from her daughter. I spent one on the way home paying the Hampton toll. And just yesterday they raised the price...stupid government!!
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 Posted 07/03/2009  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Elimist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Now I realize that us hicks up here in Maine


Ugh....don't tell me that. I'm moving to maine this August to get away from the hicks down here in Louisiana.
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