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 Posted 05/02/2006  9:38 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add spookyjr to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
It's a 1944 Australia Florin, and I bought it from a dealer who claims it's authentic, but to me it doesn't look it. It appears to have burn marks on it, which actually looks like bronze copper or something similar coming through.

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*** I have moved this thread to the Aussie Forum for it to attract more attention ***
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05/03/2006 04:28 am
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 Posted 05/02/2006  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not too sure why would anyone want to counterfeit that coin, unless it's a rare date. Perhaps, this topic will be better off if moved to the Australian Pre-decimal coinage.
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 Posted 05/02/2006  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add humpybong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A 1944 Florin UNC is only worth AUD75.00 so I cant see anyone wanting to counterfeit them.
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 Posted 05/02/2006  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add spookyjr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I only paid like $1 american money for it, so I'm not out of anything really. I bought it because I thought it was a cool looking coin, though the "burn" marks do look somewhat weird. I doubt it's counterfeit too, but still trying to figure out what the bronze coloring is.
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 Posted 05/02/2006  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1 dollar? Perhaps you got a deal, whether is a counterfeit or not, as no one will want to bother to counterfeit for just a dollar!

Perhaps you should weigh it and confirm if it is genuine or not.
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 Posted 05/03/2006  02:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1944 florins are sterling silver, which often tarnishes brown in my experience. I'd say it's just heavy tarnish. Looks like it could be a botched cleaning job?
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 Posted 05/03/2006  05:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KLD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks real to me.
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 Posted 05/04/2006  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwwww to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks fine to me. I've got half a dozen or so counterfeits florins (always find one or two in bulk lots) from Geo VI, most of them are significantly lighter.
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 Posted 05/04/2006  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe the coin is real and that the spot is some form of corrosion caused by an acid or some other chemical that was directly applied to the coin.

However, the real reason I wanted to jump into this discussion was the repeated statement that no one would counterfeit a coin to make a dollar. That is simply not true. In 1999, in southeast Massachusetts someone was producing US 25 cent coins and passing them into general circulation. So the margin on each coin passed was less than 25 cents. The coins were struck in copper using a pair of transfer dies and the finish product was dipped in mercury to create a thin "plating" that looked like weathered Copper-nickel. The mercury would soon wear off and it was a hazardous metal to boot. But what got the attention of the authorities was the fact that the coins were made using the older Washington-Eagle design dated 1999. Apparently the forger did not know the mint started the State Quarter program in 1999.

If you read up on forgery you will find that the more successful forgers do not do the big ticket coins. The Henning 1944 5 cent piece was issued in the HUNDREDS of Thousands into general circulation. The Dallas 1950 D 5 cent coin was made for the numismatic market in numbers that EXCEEDED the legitimate production of the Denver mint.

In Boston in 1893 - one of the biggest problems with forgery was the Indian Head cent.
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 Posted 05/06/2006  04:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PNC king to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by spookyjr

Well, I only paid like $1 american money for it, so I'm not out of anything really. I bought it because I thought it was a cool looking coin, though the "burn" marks do look somewhat weird. I doubt it's counterfeit too, but still trying to figure out what the bronze coloring is.

you paid around or just over bullion value for this coin , so it is a great pick up for one dollar
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 Posted 05/06/2006  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Learjet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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you paid around or just over bullion value for this coin , so it is a great pick up for one dollar



Hang on, that doesn't sound right. Unless I'm mistaken a Sterling silver 1944 florin has about 10.4 grams or 1/3 Troy ounce of silver in it. At present bullion prices of AUD $18 per ounce or US $13.90 that makes it worth in bullion alone AUD $6 / US $4.63.
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 Posted 05/07/2006  01:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Learjet: You're correct, that's the silver content given in Krause: 0.3363 oz.. BV somewhere around $4, back when the last Krause came out.

(Sorry I'm quoting Krause for Aussie stuff, but I've loaned both my Renniks and Maccas to a young lady working towards a Queen's Scout "coin collecting" skill.)
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 Posted 05/07/2006  04:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Learjet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OT but it's an interesting coin-cidence ;-) that a sterling silver pre-war Florin has (very roughly) about the same silver content as those round 1966 50c pieces. The Florin is a smaller coin but has 92.5% silver as opposed to 80% for the 50c so it works out roughly the same. Maybe a bit less for the Florin if it's been worn flat.
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 Posted 05/07/2006  08:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PNC king to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Learjet

OT but it's an interesting coin-cidence ;-) that a sterling silver pre-war Florin has (very roughly) about the same silver content as those round 1966 50c pieces. The Florin is a smaller coin but has 92.5% silver as opposed to 80% for the 50c so it works out roughly the same. Maybe a bit less for the Florin if it's been worn flat.

at that price spookyjr has made a great purchase he can never loose money on , great buying
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 Posted 09/24/2006  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver-coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by bm1947

A 1944 Florin UNC is only worth AUD75.00 so I cant see anyone wanting to counterfeit them.




Chinese make counferfeits from coins far less worth...
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 Posted 10/02/2006  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pattiewhack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks real to me... but cleaned.
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