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Again? This is the most obvious fake "error" on ebay, appearantly on a regular basis!  There is no way possible the mint could produce an "inclused" portrait! This obvious fake was made with another coin, and this seller should be arrested for fraud! Some poor person, who is unfamiliar with numismatics, is about to get ripped off royally, and this garbage makes the whole hobby look bad!! |
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This obvious fake was made with another coin, and this seller should be arrested for fraud! There's that fraud word being thrown around again by someone that obviously doesn't know what fraud is. What's your proof that this seller knows it not a legitimate error? I sure don't see any sign that this seller knows any better. |
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It's a perfectly genuine error. This coin was struck once through a rotated, late-stage die cap. The normally-oriented, incuse design elements are characteristic.
Error coin writer and researcher.
Edited by mikediamond
10/22/2009 09:56 am
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... and then there's that...
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You're quite right, scubu. For Fraud to be committed, one of the requisite elements that must be present is the intention to defraud for some form of personal gain. While intention can be construed from different acts also committed, which when put together, show a preponderance of engineering a fraud, the element of intention is often very hard to prove. There is no proof that the seller or anyone else manufactured the so-called error. However, if it could be proven that the same seller formerly listed the same type of "error", then signs would point towards that. It could be just that the seller found the coin in a roll, or got it in change, or otherwise came upon it innocently. Don't forget, the onus is on the person making the claim of fraud to prove it. If that person can bring up another incidence, though, then the onus passes to the accused person to prove that fraud didn't occur. That'll be $200, please.  Edited by WpgLwr
10/22/2009 10:04 am
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I'm not overly familiar with errors but why couldn't this be real? I don't know if mikediamond was kidding or not. His comment may have been coin humor which I didn't get?  I've done some reading about the mint process but certainly don't know how all the processes work. |
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At first glance, I too thought it was a "garage job", and heard that a concave impression was a giveaway, but seeing the reverse is perfect I didn't know what was going on. Glad we have experts here, Thanks Mike for the education! Hmmm... nice error!!  |
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I don't know if mikediamond was kidding or not. He was dead serious.  |
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I am pretty confident with Mr. Diamonds reply.
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I'm not overly familiar with errors but why couldn't this be real? I don't know if mikediamond was kidding or not. His comment may have been coin humor which I didn't get? I've done some reading about the mint process but certainly don't know how all the processes work.
Mike is an expert in the field. His comments on this coin are genuine. Read here for "Capped Die" definition. http://www.coinfacts.com/error_coin...pped_die.htm |
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Cool! Thanks for the info. Personally I love coin humor, except when I can't understand it so I had to ask. That is a pretty cool error.
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Bedrock of the Community
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This coin had me thrown for a loop--I'm glad I held off until someone knowledgeable chimed in. |
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Thanks for all the information.When I first saw it I just new it had to be made in someones garage.I'm glad there's people here that know whats real and whats not because I can't tell sometimes.Even tho it's apparently real I personally wouldn't buy it unless it was certified
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Bedrock of the Community
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one thing left out here if it was a press job the other Lincoln image would be facing the other way, that is why they usually put the Memorial over the Obverse when its a garage job because everyone would be able to see clearly the Lincoln image was turned arround when you press two coins together
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I sent the coin owner a little note wondering if She was
getting any slack from bidders and sure enough She was.
I mentioned to her what was said on here and also for her to
come on by and take a look and even join the forum. I explained to her
what the error type was and mentioned there were experts here that could verify it. She seems genuine and will probably join up.
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Posted 10/22/2009 09:20 am
