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 Posted 11/13/2010  11:00 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Silver Girl to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have two Britsh play money (gambling?) tokens that I'd liek to knwo the value of, if someone can help me. The first is a small, nickel-sized toekn that has a rather poor portait of Queen Victoria on one side, with the legend, "Victoria Queen of Great Britian" on the obverse, then "Spiel Marke" ("Play Money") on the other side.

the other is not quite half dollar size, copper, and says "Fred: Duke of York, Halfpenny, 1795, with a portrait of someone I presume to be the Duke of York (supposedly). The back has a ship on it with the legend, "The wooden walls of old England." Any thoughts on what they are and what they're worth in F/VF condition (or were they made to look worn and old?) Thanks!
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 Posted 11/14/2010  03:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The "spiel marke" is indeed play money, and given that the language on the reverse is German, it would be made in Germany (though no doubt sold in Britain). German-made jetons, game-counters and play money were sold all over Europe prior to WWI.

There is a catalogue that covers these pieces, "Toy Coins", but I don't have it. I have a few similar pieces to yours, which I bought for a couple of dollars at a coin club auction or came in a bag of mixed world coins.

The second token is entirely different. It's what is known as a "Conder token", and actually circulated as currency at a time when official coinage in Britain was in limited supply (just like Hard Times Tokens in America). This particular type is a generic or "stock token", which doesn't name the issuer. The standard catalogue for this series is "Provincial Token Coinage of the Eighteenth Century" by Dalton & Hamer.

There are three main varieties of this token, all worth about the same:
D&H# Middlesex 985, no period after "YORK", edge lettering reads "PAYABLE IN LANCASTER LONDON OR BRISTOL".
D&H# Middlesex 985a, no period after "YORK", edge lettering reads "PAYABLE AT LONDON OR DUBLIN".
D&H# Middlesex 986, period after "YORK", edge lettering reads "PAYABLE AT DUBLIN OR LONDON".

This website is selling examples of these tokens in EF condition for $35 to $45; scroll down to the bottom of the page to see them. I'd say yours would be $10 to $20 or so in VF condition.
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 Posted 11/14/2010  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver Girl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your help! I had just about decided my Condor Token was a fake as the ship was going the wrong way (I'd seen several on a Google search) when - lo and behold - the very LAST one listed on the link you gave me was mine. :-)
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