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I Am Losing Faith In Humanity

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 Posted 03/23/2011  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wheatguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see what you're saying but a little fib on the seller's part to get a bit more extra money doesn't seem like justifiable cause to "lose faith in humanity" or anything similar to that.
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03/23/2011 6:06 pm
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 Posted 03/23/2011  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I told him to really think about what he is saying here, you could already have sold the coins for 257.60 but you took the time to make a craigslist posting so you could get 260 dollars?



It's entirely plausible he was offered what he said.

Why fool around for another $2.40? How often have you seen people post that they hate seeing coins melted? Maybe that, not the $2.40, is his motive.
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 Posted 03/23/2011  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hard to be a member here for any length of time and "lose hope in humanity". Just saying I've seen some of the most genuine generosity expressed on this forum...and I've only been around a few months!
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 Posted 03/23/2011  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Last time I looked, at $1.78 per gram for Silver, that's about $150 in negotiating range.



I get $1.17/gram, and that's for pure, so $1.05 for 90%.

For decades, trading coins by a multiple of face has worked fine for everyone, and only dealers selling to refiners needed to concern themselves with weight. Now that silver is more than gold was when I was a kid, this may eventually change.

Keep in mind, however, that most dealers and almost all consumers lack the ability to weigh, for example, ten kilos to 0.1g. Anyone can figure face value by counting and adding. Pricing by weight for stuff like 90-40-80-50-35% silver adds another chance to confuse and cheat sellers.
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 Posted 03/23/2011  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismaniac to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The guy had no other offer. He was simply trying to get you to raise yours.
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 Posted 03/24/2011  03:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppertop5150 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is a guy here on CL paying melt for silver . The PROBLEM IS HE LIVES A HOUR AWAY.
The drive would cost 25$ in gas to sell silver to him

The guy by me has a ad on CL and claims to pay they highest prices of anyone around,I emailed him I had some quarters,dimes,halved. He offered 90% of spot

Then I said well I would like to get melt value. He told me if the coins were not damaged,dented and were atleast in verygood condition ,He would pay full melt for the coins undamaged and %90 melt for lightly damaged silver cleaned/dented coins,%80 for holed culled junk coins

I snapped a picture emailed it he said o.k full melt, he told me to meet him at his flea market booth on saturday.

Its more of him getting his hands on old coins to search then reselling them

I know becuase I have seen his ad on CL selling silver 10% above melt you pick the coins from his melt selection, or at melt if he picks the coins. He prob sells at melt the junker/cleaned not so great coins

So their might be some truth to him gettng a 260$ offer, But we dont know if the guy has to drive aways to get that , I dunno about you guys but gas here is 3.60 a gallon a far trip would eat into that 260 really fast
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03/24/2011 03:23 am
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 Posted 03/24/2011  04:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd hate to tell you how many times someone tells me they had an offer of xyz, and I say, sorry, but I can only give you abc, and they take it.

And I had a guy turn down my offer, which was $4.51 less than a dealer 50 miles away, on $2000+ of silver.
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 Posted 03/24/2011  05:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bibd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These silver dealers are getting ridiculous: pay 8-10 x face, but not take a cent less than melt (as though they can get full melt anywhere but CL).

In general CL (and its clones) are really starting to bring out some coin whackos. A local guy here wants "all 1964 and earlier US coins". So I'm thinking of dumping a bunch of 1964-D Jefferson nickels on him.
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 Posted 03/24/2011  07:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rkrj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I never thought of it the way Numismanic did, and when he said he would ship they coins to me when he lives so close I got tunnel vision and just looked at it a complete scam. My point was if it is a complete scam, which I still think it is, you would think people in general would come up with some better lies, and that was my point in losing faith in humantity. If this person would actually think another person would believe that you would turn down 257.60 so you could go home and take the time for 2.40 more than he is really lazy or beyond stupid, even if it was just to get me to accept his offer he could have said I already have 240 on the table, but maybe I am being pessimestic.
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 Posted 03/24/2011  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The guy had no other offer. He was simply trying to get you to raise yours.

Exactly. Just sort of sales tactics. Sort of like a used car salesman telling you he hsa to check with the manager about your offer.
It's rather obvious the seller just wanted a certain amount for his coins and was using standard sales tactics.
Although he really should have made the offer from the imaginary deasler a lot less so you wouldn't think he's nuts.
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 Posted 03/24/2011  10:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vinnycoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Craigslist is an interesting place.

I gave away a free chair. Ad said free chair at end of driveway. I came home and not only was the chair gone, both garbage bins, as well as some 2x4's I had laying around for a project also disappeared.

Last time I ever gave away anything again.
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 Posted 03/24/2011  1:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If this person would actually think another person would believe that you would turn down 257.60 so you could go home and take the time for 2.40 more than he is really lazy or beyond stupid, even if it was just to get me to accept his offer he could have said I already have 240 on the table, but maybe I am being pessimestic.


Here's a classic example of stupid stuff people will do, that may shed some light.

A couple years ago, the corner gas station sold gas for 90.9ยข a gallon, limit ten gallons, for 90 minutes or 90 customers, which ever came first. To him, he loses $1 a gallon, or a maximum out of pocket of $900, which is like running a $900 ad.

Way over 90 cars were lined up around the block, blocking at least five people from getting their cars out to go to work, until finally, they printed up passes, gave them to 90 cars, and sent the rest home.

Between people coming in two hours early or standing in line, the average person prolly spent two hours of their day to save, at most, ten bucks on gas. Keep in mind, they prolly burned 2-3 gallons of gas inching their way to their turn at the pumps!

A donut place offered a free donut per customer. People stood in line for an hour to get something for nothing. A $1 donut? Please.

I even admit to standing in line for 75 minutes at Chipotle's, but at least the payoff was food and drink I would normally pay $10 for, and can't make at home.

Moral? People, including your seller, don't always act rationally.
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 Posted 03/24/2011  1:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Matbe the thread title should be "if you're gonna lie, at least be convincing."
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 Posted 03/27/2011  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gothic Florin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've never bought anything from Craigslist, and probably won't - for reasons like this
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