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Pillar of the Community
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I save bronze pre-1982 cents, post-1982 Zincolns (because Zincolns are still worth more than face value) and I save all U.S. nickels for their copper/nickel content. When me and my mother go to 7 Eleven, I always ask the clerk for two nickels back in change, instead of one dime, when my mom buys a slurpee for $1.90. I think that the nickels are almost more worth it then the copper cents, seeing as you have to sort pre and post-1982s, while, with the nickel, you know you are always getting the same metals (unless you stumble across silver War Nickels) I also ask my 7 Eleven clerk friend, to hoard all Canadian cents, regardless of what they are made of, since Canada quit making cents, pre-2000 copper/ nickel, and pre 1986 nickel nickels, and pre-2000 nickel dimes, quarters, and if he ever happens to get any, pre-2000 nickel halves, and pre-2012 loonies and toonies if for some reason, he gets them. Speaking of copper coins though, does anyone here think people will start hoarding the current coins if the government decides to either, eliminate cents, or make them out of steel, and make the nickel, dime and quarter, and possibly the half and dollar coins out of cheaper metals? (I sometimes see mentions in articles about changing the metals in the half to a cheaper metal, but mostly they just mention the cent, nickel, dime and quarter, and sometimes they mention the end of the cent, and I have never really read anything that I can remember about them changing the metals in the dollar coins) If they do change our U.S. coins to plated steel, I plan to start hoarding all copper clad coins I come across in circulation. (I wonder if history will repeat itself with the half, if the change the cent, nickel, dime and quarter ti a cheaper metal composition, and leave the same, more expensive metals in the half)
Edited by Fox 10/09/2014 4:39 pm
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 United States
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Quote: post-1982 Zincolns (because Zincolns are still worth more than face value) Not really. They may cost more than a cent to produce, but melted down you are left with a little more than half of cent worth of zinc. The biggest problem with making cents is the non-material cost of making cents, which is more than one cent per cent.
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Pillar of the Community
708 Posts |
Quote: Not really. They may cost more than a cent to produce, but melted down you are left with a little more than half of cent worth of zinc. Ah, thanks for the info, jbuck. But if you are not making a profit off melting Zincolns, and actually "losing" money, then, why is melting them illegal? Am I miussing something here? Anyway, copper, bronze or whatever, I think that the government shoud declare the pre-1982 cents obsolete, and let people melt them like silver coins, or cash them in at scrap yards for their content, and also, any Zincolns that are rotted beyond recognition should be fair game for scrapping as well. One more thing, would you make a profit off melting down nickels? (Not that I plan on doing it. I'm not breaking the law)
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Fox, do bear in mind that one key zinc mine is not going to be online and analysts are predicting a potential shortage in zinc (relative to the demand for zinc) over the next few years so the price of zinc could well go up  ....
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The price of nickel and copper is not high enough to make any real money melting coins in the quantities collectors like us are likely to have them. Once you have paid for the smelter to perform the service or buy the equipment needed to melt, separate and assay the metals you have eaten through your potential profit.
The law that prohibits the melt of cents and nickels really is intended toward industrial smelting that would have the potential to profit from the melting of coins since they already have the capability to do so. Remember that even if the materials were free it would still cost over a cent to make a cent.
The reason Zinc cents are included is probably to stop indiscriminate melting of all cents. Industrial concerns would be able to separate the metals more easily than "normals" would. It also protects against an increase on the value of zinc, should it rise to the level to make melting of coins profitable.
The only way I see this law being rescinded is by the elimination of cent production by the Mint, either in the dollar/half dollar mode where they just stop making circulation strikes and keep making collector sets only, or by the total elimination of the coin like Canada did. Either way they would remain legal tender (as they are in Canada now) but would dry up pretty quickly as people save what they have and the banks turn in their stocks for metal recovery.
I was in Canada the summer after the cent ceased production and while some stores had a few on hand since they had been used in a purchase, no one was giving them out in change and no one was asking for them (except me).
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: Ah, thanks for the info, jbuck. But if you are not making a profit off melting Zincolns, and actually "losing" money, then, why is melting them illegal? Am I miussing something here? As originally proposed the rule simply made melting of all cents and five cent pieces illegal. That would have made melting War Nickels illegal too. The final rule made an exception for the War Nickels but didn't bother to differentiate between the copper and zinc cents. Why? Because they didn't really need to. Who would want to melt down zinc cents in quantity when they would instantly lose 50% of their money? To make it simpler they just outlawed melting all of the cents.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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When you guys (USA) get rid of the cent, be ready for grumpy uneducated cashiers that "can't" take them even though they've never been demonetized. Last year when I still had pennies to spend, cashiers would spout off lies like this when I tried to keep them from rounding up to the nearest 5 cents. If I still had pennies to spend I would - I used to carry around all of my pennies and use them when it was to my advantage. I also carry on my smartphone copies of federal laws to show the uneducated should it come to that.
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