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You're welcome, hokiefan. Thanks guys! 
Errers and Varietys.
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Quote: What would you say for the grade? Good details? Yep, good details. I've yet to see one of these that was in a grade above fine condition; this, as these were essentially pocket pieces. As so many folks had loved ones fighting in the fields, the copperheads, but for the larger cities, wherein their numbers favored them, gradually realized that their position would make them targets of public outrage. I love a beautiful old coin, every bit as much as most collectors. Yet, pieces that that emote history in the making add a wholly new dimension for this old guy. IMHO, when a piece has this quality, condition becomes virtually meaningless. Studying anomalies like this piece, and counterstamps for example, can take collectors into the next dimension, so to speak.
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Thanks again, ExoGuy! I appreciate it. 
Errers and Varietys.
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I think they were right wing conservatives of the Democratic-Republican party. This was before the party split. They were opposed to abolition and sympathized with the Confederacy.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Very cool coin, Errers! And thank you ExoGuy for the education!
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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Thank you, HondoB. 
Errers and Varietys.
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Quote: I think they were right wing conservatives of the Democratic-Republican party. The Copperheads, or Peace Democrats, were a vocal faction of Northern Democrats during the American Civil War who opposed the war effort and advocated for an immediate peace settlement with the Confederacy. Strongest in the Midwest, they criticized Lincoln's policies, including conscription and the Emancipation Proclamation. Lincoln was a conservative who upheld the Constitution; hence, the abolition of slavery. At the time, Lincoln was considered: "The right man in the right place." This slogan appeared on a contemporary Civil War token.
Edited by ExoGuy 02/17/2026 12:26 pm
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" Yes, the Copperheads were a conservative, anti-war faction of the Democratic Party in the North during the American Civil War (1861-1865). They were known for favoring a negotiated peace with the Confederacy, protecting states' rights, and staunchly opposing Abraham Lincoln's administration, often advocating for an immediate end to the conflict, as noted by Britannica and University of Michigan. Key characteristics of this conservative faction included:
Ideology: They were strict constructionists, viewing Lincoln's war actions as unconstitutional and despotic.
Opposition: They opposed conscription, the suspension of habeas corpus, and the emancipation of slaves.
Regional Strength: They were strongest in the Midwest (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois) among people with Southern roots or ties.
Supporters: They were often referred to as "Peace Democrats" who wanted to return to a pre-war status quo.
Action: They actively criticized the war effort, encouraging desertion and draft resistance.
While some were simply critics, some Copperheads were considered treasonous by Republicans due to their sympathy for the Confederacy. "
We have to remember that Democrats were conservatives and Republicans were a more liberal faction of the Democratic-Republican Party. The party split and eventually flip flopped in later years with the Democrats becoming a more liberal party and the Republicans becoming conservative.
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Edited by 52Raymo 02/17/2026 1:55 pm
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@ Raymo52 ... So, it appears that you're saying the meaning of conservative Democrat, split from the Democrat-Republican Party was the antithesis of a conservative Republican, a constitutionalist, then.
Note that on these planed-down copperhead cents, the reverse legend, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, is removed. Thus, "conservative" Democrats were dismissing the Constitution in effect. These copperhead cents signaled a political divide in the so-called Democrat-Republican Party, resulting in the so-called left wing "conservatives."
I found the following description of the Copperheads, "conservative" Democrats." Note that the slavery issue was conveniently side-stepped, dismissing Constitutionality, altogether.
Ideology: They were strict constructionists who adhered to Jeffersonian and Jacksonian principles, aiming to preserve the pre-war status quo.
Opposition: They opposed the draft, civil liberty restrictions, and emancipation, often encouraging desertion and challenging the federal government's authority.
Geography: They were strongest in the Midwest (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois), with support from rural, southern-rooted communities and some city-based critics.
Label: "Copperheads" was a term used by Republicans to label these Democrats as traitors or poisonous snakes to the Union, although they identified as peace-seeking Democrats.
Edited by ExoGuy 02/17/2026 8:56 pm
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Probably an argument left for a different forum. I doubt our political divide will be solved here and I don't want a coin forum to devolve into politics.
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