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Ae Ptolemy IV ? A Mystery To Me .

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Never had much confidence in my Ptolemaic attributions

Æ Ptolemy IV
Obv Zeus Ammon right
Rv ΠTOΛEMAIOY BAΣIΛEΩΣ
Eagle wings spread standing left on Thunderbolt
41.84 grams 38mm

Low relief style portrait
I have several Ptolemy bronzes
But this one is quite different
Thinking it came out of some other mint than Alexandria ?
Tyre perhaps ?... no control marks in field
The monogram is difficult to read
A Delta perhaps ?
Retrograde PΠΥE ?

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An interesting piece @fvr. Both sides seem to have pretty significant doubling.
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I believe I may have 'cracked' this nut !
The possibility that it is a "contemporary imitation" was always
front center in my addled brain .
But searching this AM through the Ptolemy AE Project I spied this
curious piece
Svoronos 1140

The diameter is spot on at 38mm
While the weight is a tad light at 3.22 grams
But the control is given as PΠΥE 'retrograde' !
Yet the illustration shows not ?
Same low relief
Same lack of a mint symbol
Same diameter
Only thing amiss is the weight being 3.22 grams light

Well 3 out of 4 eh ?


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Sometimes the obvious is difficult to discern .
Plainly we have what NGC loves to describe as a "flan flaw"
This could easily account for a missing 3.22 grams
At this point I think I'll score it perfect 4 out of 4
Or 5 for 5 counting the retrograde control .
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