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Do you think I got this attributed about right? I don't have the RIC yet. The globe seems to have rays as well as the star.... have you seen this before? The bust is laureate right but I don't think it is cuirassed. Thanks for any comments. Licinius I Sol standing left, holding globe & raising right hand IMP LICINIVS PF AVG/ SOLIINVI-C-TOCOMITI star in left field ST dot in ex. RIC VII Ticinum 17 R2  |
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The attribution looks correct to me. As to the globe, I've seen this before. In fact, if you look at this link, the globe looks near to yours: http://wildwinds.com/coins/ric/lici...II_009.1.jpgAgain, I have seen this feature before and I quickly found this example. JW |
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You are correct on the ID. Very nice coin.
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Licinivs is the first roman that I ever purchased. Yours is nicer than mine. Great eye appeal!  |
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Nice looking coin - Ticinum made some very good-looking Sol coins, they are also less common from this mint than most of the others.
The item in Sols hand is almost always referenced as a 'globe' but it is in fact a 'globus' meaning sphere or mass and is a celestial representation of the entire universe.
I think the lines are North / South, East / West markers but not 100% sure, all of these coins should have these marks on them but most weren't made / don't survive well enough to be seen as well as the ones on yours.
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10/25/2011 10:29 am
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I think you have the bulk of it right. One reference I have says Sol may be holding a whip? which it looks like yours is. I think it may be RIC VII 9 Ticinum. I've searched the last few minutes and found a few examples with PT ST or TT in exerge. But this example #6779 ~40% down the page looks pretty identical. Do you have Dirty Old Coins ERIC guide? It's free on the website and very helpful. -wheatiefan |
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Thanks everyone I used helvetica's list to id the coin. There it looks like RIC 9 is ST in ex while RIC 17 is STdot. I thought my coin appeared to be STdot thus my attribution as RIC 17. Other than that they are the same. Quote:
The item in Sols hand is almost always referenced as a 'globe' but it is in fact a 'globus' meaning sphere or mass and is a celestial representation of the entire universe. As usual there is always something fascinating to learn here at CC. Thanks again |
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Doucet, you were correct in your original attribution RIC VII Ticinum 17. The long item near to the globus is whats referred to as 'chlamys', a kind of cape or drapery seen here hanging from Sols left shoulder. I think this may have be what wheatiefan thought was a wip. Here is a London whip coin from my collection - RIC VI London 153 (135) - this coin also shows one of the alternative reverses COMITI AVGG NN. Standing for 'Comito Augusti Nostri Duo', '(Sol) Companion of our Emperors'. Sol still holds a globus but in his other hand. The whip probably does not look like what we would assume it to be.  Quote:
The bust is laureate right but I don't think it is cuirassed. Correct, its just 'Right Laureate' Edited by bobbyhelmet
10/25/2011 10:33 am
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Both of those coins look pretty good. I can't wait to get my own Roman coin in the mail from jwharper. My first ever Roman coin!
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When reading coins we need to try to do the impossible and see things as they would appear to people of the day rather than today. The globe here probably does not represent the earth (which they knew was round if they read the right experts) but the universe. The universe was shown with bands not necessarily matching our meridians and equator. Note this earlier coin that shows the deceased baby in the heavens with prominent bands: http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=11343I wonder if what is being shown is an Armillary Sphere which was invented in c.200 BC allowing plotting of celestial bodies in the universe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armillary_spherePerhaps all this is too much to make out of a couple cross hatch marks on a small ball but such thoughts add to the fun of looking at our coins. Also: Take care to distinguish between a head and a bust. RIC VII portrait B1 (99% of the time) refers to a head which means there is no indication of shoulders or clothing so no cuirass. Busts can be bare or clothed in drapery or armor; heads are unadorned except (that 1% or less) a few in the 2nd century where a neck is shown with no shoulders but a tiny wisp of cloth behind making fools of us when we try to hard to force ancients into definitions invented by modern numismatists.  Thankfully the idea of this confusion failed to catch on so later heads and busts are easier to separate: http://www.forumancientcoins.com/do...osshead.html |
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Take care to distinguish between a head and a bust. Thanks for bringing that to my attention Doug. I stand corrected. I find it interesting that these coins show evidence, in ancient times, of the concept of a spherical world and universe. (there is some evidence that Archimedes could calculate the area of a sphere). Yet later the whole concept became that of the world as flat... Go figure? |
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