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How Bad Does The Scratch Detract ?

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 Posted 10/27/2011  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Then, I didn't realize that the fakes are worth more money than the real coin---and this part still makes absolutely no sense to me, can someone explain that?


There should be a clear distinction made between a numismatic fake and a contemporary counterfeit, this coin would fall into the latter category. A contemporary counterfeit is meant to circulate simultaneously with genuine coins of the same type. As a result, these counterfeits are also subject to circulation attrition just like genuine coins and that tends to make them quite rare in most cases since there are almost always many more genuine examples in existence than contemporary counterfeits.

The most prevalent example of contemporary counterfeits would probably be the Micro O Morgans. For many years, they were all thought to be genuine mint products and were slabbed by TPGs. Several dates of the Micro Os were finally debunked just a few years ago. At the time they were created, the silver value of a dollar was only 50-60 cents so there was a large profit margin even for full silver content counterfeits. Another example is the famed Henning nickels of the 1940s which can sell for upwards of $100 nowadays.


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how do you know it's not a modern counterfeit?

100+ years of circulation and environmental exposure is much more difficult to replicate than you might think. The vast majority of reasonably convincing modern fakes are high grade circulated to uncirculated, not rough and ugly low grade examples- especially when dealing with a coin that should otherwise be common as dirt
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So, looking back on the title of this thread, it's not about the scratch at all or filling the hole in the Dansco, it is seeing if anyone could spot the counterfit without prompting? Well, good job, you fooled us all!
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 Posted 10/27/2011  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add seateddime48174 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
LOL at merc ... this thread was not an attempt to fool anyone, more of an attempt to teach
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excellent presentation biokemist6, I might also add that in the 1800's the secret service was VERY aware of counterfeit coins and actively pursuing them as well as those creating them. which was also a contributing factor to the scarcity today.
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Cool, I've learned a lot from this thread. didn't know there were different kinds of counterfeits. So I guess henning nickels would also be labeled as contemporary counterfeits. And they are worth several times more than the regular mint made nickels. Interesting.
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it wouldnt make any sense for the chinese to counterfeit 1888 dimes. additionally, the modern chinese counterfeits dont look anything like this one. finally, I know enough about the counterfeits to know which ones are modern and which ones are contemporary.

Wouldn't makes sense to many of us but they also make counterfeited soap, toothpaste, batteries, flashlights, tires, cameras and even toothpicks. So why not almost any coin? I wonder if they could and/or are now making our Cents for less than we could.
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[Deleted to do posting on wrong thread.]
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