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There are a lot of people that want Reagan on a coin, but there are an equal number of people that don't want that. One of them being Reagan himself, not to mention his wife. Quote:
I think the reason we like metaphors and symbols so much is that they stimulate our intellect as well as give us something artistic to look at. Well said.  Quote:
Our nation's first coinage law was never taken off the books. and it clearly states that "the obverse of the coin shall bear a depiction of Liberty" It does, the word LIBERTY satisfies this requirement. You see what they did there.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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funny thing about the prez $1 coins the word Liberty is not on them
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Pillar of the Community
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I don't think the word "liberty" reaches the level of a "depiction" of liberty.
Chance
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I don't think the word "liberty" reaches the level of a "depiction" of liberty. It doesn't which is why the law went on to specify the inscription including the word LIBERTY. So it is there to satisfy the inscription requirement not the depiction of Liberty requirement. Quote:
Our nation's first coinage law was never taken off the books. and it clearly states that "the obverse of the coin shall bear a depiction of Liberty" Actually it has been taken off the books and our coins are no longer required to depict a representation of LIBERTY, just the word. The current law that specifies the general design requirements for our coins is (The provision that exempts the President dollars from having the word LIBERTY comes later in the law.) (d) (1) United States coins shall have the inscription "In God We Trust". The obverse side of each coin shall have the inscription "Liberty". The reverse side of each coin shall have the inscriptions "United States of America" and "E Pluribus Unum" and a designation of the value of the coin. The design on the reverse side of the dollar, half dollar, and quarter dollar is an eagle. Subject to other provisions of this subsection, the obverse of any 5-cent coin issued after December 31, 2005, shall bear the likeness of Thomas Jefferson and the reverse of any such 5-cent coin shall bear an image of the home of Thomas Jefferson at Monticello. The Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Congress, shall select appropriate designs for the obverse and reverse sides of the dollar coin. The coins have an inscription of the year of minting or issuance. However, to prevent or alleviate a shortage of a denomination, the Secretary may inscribe coins of the denomination with the year that was last inscribed on coins of the denomination. (2) The Secretary shall prepare the devices, models, hubs, and dies for coins, emblems, devices, inscriptions, and designs authorized under this chapter. The Secretary may, after consulting with the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee and the Commission of Fine Arts, adopt and prepare new designs or models of emblems or devices that are authorized in the same way as when new coins or devices are authorized. The Secretary may change the design or die of a coin only once within 25 years of the first adoption of the design, model, hub, or die for that coin. The Secretary may procure services under section 3109 of title 5 in carrying out this paragraph. |
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Pillar of the Community
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Guess there' no hope for the nickel then...
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Bedrock of the Community
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The nickel design COULD be changed but it will take new legislation to do it. I'm not sure they could get away with doing it under the provisions of the Coinage Act of 1890 that allows the Secretary of the Treasury to change them after 25 years.
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I don't think the word "liberty" reaches the level of a "depiction" of liberty. I agree, which is why I said "You see what they did there." It was my way of pointing out how Congress is always pushing the limits of (or simply overlooking) its own legislation. It also reminds me of the phrase "good enough for government work." However, as Conder has pointed out, it appears the proper legislation is in place. I suppose my point was pointless.  |
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I thought the Washington quarter proved to be far easier to produce than the Standing Liberty design, so the Mint was going to retire the SLQ anyway and stick with Washington until any proposed changes (i.e. JFK in '64) came up. |
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I don't mean to dismiss the achievements of these men, but like Washington ... I think a little humility would be appropriate. Medals celebrate these things quite effectively.
Maybe if the mint became convinced that a whole new class of medal collectors would be born out of deciding to return to depicting American Ideals on our coinage and relegating their heroes to medals.
Then again....they don't seem to understand that if they stop printing the paper dollar, the dollar coin will circulate more regularly, so I don't figure we'll see any kind of change anytime soon.
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The design on the reverse side of the dollar, half dollar, and quarter dollar is an eagle. I'll bet 20 Presidential dollars that say it isn't |
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Hmmm. interesting conversation. I know I'm in a large minority on this one, but I have to say I always liked the large size of the pre SBA dollars. Personally I'd be partial to a clad Peace dollar I've always like the design. Also, I've always thought the raising of the flag on Iwo Jima would look nice on the back of a coin. If nothing else though I'd vote to declutter the coinage. The whole person vs symbol discussion aside, the prez coins and newer (obverse) quarter designs just seem so cluttered to me. People who have said the whole thing is political are spot on. For example, not to take anything away from the man and his accomplishments, but Kennedy on the half was definitely an emotional response to his assassination. Edited by Rewster
11/08/2011 2:44 pm
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The design on the reverse side of the dollar, half dollar, and quarter dollar is an eagle. I'll bet 20 Presidential dollars that say it isn't The legislation for the baby dollars (Sac, Native American, and Presidential) superseded that requirement. |
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I would like to see simplified coins without presidents as well. I especially like the Waling Liberty Half Dollar. I don't like a lot of writing on coins so I would be fine with removing the recently added "In God We Trust" and the much older E pluribus unum.
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Just having the word 'Liberty' on a coin instead of an actual depiction of Liberty seems very hollow to me. I am in firm agreement on getting the presidents off the coins and going back to new designs of Liberty.
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Posted 11/05/2011 10:36 pm
