1913 P Type II Buffalo

The horn would have to be complete for this to be a XF-40. I know LIBERTY naturally comes poorly struck on the 1913s, but the entire obverse is lacking way too much detail. I'm affraid it wouldn't even get VF-30, looks like a VF-20 to me. Somebody mean might even call it an F-15, but it's a VF-20.

There's barely a price difference anyway on this issue because so many good examples were saved.

This is still a nice find in a dateless lot.

I think this is a VF-25 maybe VF-30. Nice find for a lot of dateless buffalos!

I really don't think it's cleaned, but just to further the debate on grade. The reverse alone I would put at VF-30. It can't go higher because it needs more horn. The obverse is a different story. Like I mentioned before, I'm allowing LIBERTY and even the date to be weak, but look at the ribbon and surrounding hair. It's well worn. The cheekbone area, the feathers, frankly, its an F-12 obverse. It also has some deeper hits than you'd like even for a Buffalo nickel circulated to this extent. I "netted" it at VF-20. I just think VF-30 is a real stretch with that much obverse wear.