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Please help me identify these variations (Newfie 20 cents) ... apparently I suck at the identification game! I have three Newfoundland 20 cent pieces, which have multiple variations: a) 1899 (3 possible variations) ... one photo of coin => is this an NT2 H99 (Hooked 99) => is this an NT2 S99 (Small 99) => is this an NT2 L99 (large 99)  b) 1896 (4 possible variations) ... 3 photos of coin => is this an NT1 L96 (obv1, Large 96) => is this an NT1 S96 (obv1, Small 96) => is this an NT2 L96 (obv2, Large 96) => is this an NT2 S96 (obv2, Small 96)    c) 1894 (2 possible variations) ... 2 photos of coin => is this an NT1 (obv1) => is this an NT2 (obv2)   Please help a brother out and try to figure-out which variations I have, okay? Thanks  |
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You're not the only one who has trouble with these,I can see your '99 isn't hooked,but large or small 99 or 96 I can't tell without a side by side comparison with a known coin,maybe someone here can give a marker or some tips.For the obverses I'd say both NT2 due to the slope of Vickies forehead.
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Thanks DBM ... that is very helpful Now that you mention it, the slope on ol' Vicky's fast-back forehead does look more like the Charlton catalogue photo of NT2 than the photo of NT1 (where she has more of a blunt forehead in the photo of NT1) ... I am not sure (obviously), but I can talk myself into believing that the 96 seems "small" ..... but I don't have a clue about the 99 ... ? So, with your help, I think we now have the following: a) no clue "yet" b) 1896 NT2 S96 (obv2, Small 96) c) 1894 NT2 (obv2) Does anybody else have an opinion on "a" or on all three of my coins (please feel free to give your opinion, even/especially if it differs from my/our current decisions) ... thanks again, DBM  |
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First one is likely a small 99. The VF and lower grades aren't usually worth keeping as there are a lot of low grade ones due to a weak strike on the reverse. You'll notice the "ENT" are all weakly struck even on high grade sm 99's. That's one good way of knowing that you have.
It's small 96 coin you have as well. The easiest way as DMB mentioned to tell about NT1 or NT2 is the slope of vickies forehead. The NT1 her forehead runs parallel to the base of the "A" then veers off while the NT2 veers of right at the start of the "A"
Also hate to burst anyone's bubble but it's highly likely the
NT1 sm 96
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NT2 lg 96
don't exist at all. If you happen to come across it buy it no matter what as it would at that point be rarer then a 1946 newfie nickel.
Check my newfoundland coins thread for good pictures of the 1899 coins and differences between NT1 and NT2
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fredor => thanks for responding ... you and DBM have helped me out immensely. But just to be sure I got it all correct, I will summarize what I think that you two were telling me: a) 1899 NT2 S99 b) 1896 NT2 S96 c) 1894 NT2 ... correct? Thanks again (I will go check-out your thread)  |
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The 1899 is a L99 my friend.
Vance
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Ooooow, a "challenge" => nicely played my friend, nicely played  => geeesh now what happens? => I guess we need a referee to give a third rating (a tie-breaker, as they say) ... the plot thickens! (interesting) Thanks for responding ... hmmmm, however, I liked it better when it was an 1899 "Small 99", for they seem to be worth a few more $$$  |
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Oh, and welcome Vance (thanks again for responding)  |
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The 1899 sm 99 is vastly overpriced in the lower grades. I just ignore them until I find one at VF30 or more.. Then it becomes valuable.
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Thanks fredor, but now I'm getting even a bit more confused, for I thought that you had figured that my 1899 was a "Small 99", whereas Vance has proclaimed that it is actually a "Large 99" (NOTE => not that I am judging and/or keeping score, I am merely wanting to figure out which varaiations I have in my collection, so I can go out and purchase the missing-links, right?) ... anyway ...
=> so fredor, are you now agreeing that it is a large 99?
Again, thanks so much for responding! (when I was looking at the photos, I kept convincing myself and going around-n-around in circles!) => I definitely appreciated your comments/guesses/opinions
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I still think it's sm 99. Check my thread and look at the length of the foot for the T. But I just think it's worth the same as a L99 at this grade.
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fredor => Oh, that thread ... funny, because I have visited and even posted photos on that/your thread, but apparently I didn't actually "read" all of your info until now (my bad) => so it's all about the long and short foot on the "T", eh? (very helpful) Well Vance, unless you or another one of you on-looking coin gurus has a challenge and/or has a defence, then I am back to believing that my three coins are as follows: a) 1899 NT2 S99 b) 1896 NT2 S96 c) 1894 NT2 Thanks again DBM, Vance and fredor => you've all been very helpful  |
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Ok...I've changed my mind on the '99
This is a S99. If you line up the bottom of the numerals 899 the last 9 will hang lower on a L99.
I agree with others in collecting vf of better. With lower grades it's hard to distinguish between the subtle varieties.
I would use caution in using secondary areas of reference, such as the "NT" in cents, as a weak strike can occur at any time and different die sets used.
Hope this helps
Vance
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Thanks Vance, it does help ... it helps confuse me  Just jokes => however, I am sticking to my guns, that I suck at the identification game! ... so I will definitely still be posting most of these coins, if I have a variation discrepancy (thanks again for all of your opinions and help) ... it is far cheaper and more educational than sending the coin in to be judged by one of the grading firms (oh and recently, their reliablitity seems to be under suspicion, yes?) COINS ROCK!   |
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