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 Posted 12/06/2011  05:29 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Aussiegrading to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
What "sleepers" are out there that are a good investment?
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 Posted 12/06/2011  05:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It all depends on what price range you are talking about and what time frame you would be looking at holding it for (note that whatever the price point and time period you are looking at) that there is no right answer, if there was then everyone would be buying it.
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 Posted 12/06/2011  06:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aussiegrading to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coins that are very undervalued...
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 Posted 12/06/2011  06:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You could argue that a 1930 proof penny is undervalued or a $5 note from 1990, it really depends on your budget. With anything though you always should aim to buy something which someone else is always going to want. I'm assuming you don't have this sort of money (nor do I, unfortunately), however if you were looking at buying a 1930 penny, you wouldn't buy one which was in very good condition and corroded, you would probably look to buy one gVF or better.
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 Posted 12/06/2011  06:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the Pride of Australia $200 gold coins are undervalued. However I am not prepared to say if they will take off or not. Mintage typically around the 4000 mark for each. Not much above gold value.

With the al bronze $1 coins, the Victoria Cross and Barcelona Olympic issues may be relatively over valued, even in the current market. These coins have more than 10 times as many minted, but the value above the metal price is enormous.

All of the above mentioned coins were given to me as well as a proof silver Barcelona $1 coin with continuous milling, in the long box.
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 Posted 12/06/2011  06:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aussiegrading to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe that the 1930 penny is incredably overvalued compared to other coins out there. Compare it to a 1935 waitangi crown, which I do have a proof in my possession, only just over 1000 minted, just over 400 are proofs, which you can buy for around 9k. That is approx 3 times less than a 1930 penny. But surely theres budget buys out there.
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 Posted 12/06/2011  06:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 1930 penny is an example of something which is rare and wanted by many collectors. What you need to always try and get is something that is rare by type/issue and rare for quality. For mine, many high quality bank notes are currently undervalued (but to see returns you would have to hold onto them for 20+ years and also have a budget of $200,000+, ;o) and when I say rare I'm talking pre 1930's 20, 50 and 100 pound notes, other than that there are still some nice banknotes $1,000 or under which are quite undervalued (in terms of their price compared with 5 years ago). In terms of coins, pre-decimal proofs are always popular (some of the proofs post 1956 might be undervalued). I agree with the above comment, I've always thought 1930 pennies were maybe a little steep in price (and a solid return, but you'll never see them shoot up in price by 30% in 1 year, like the 1967 goose dollar for example). Other than that it could be a good strategy to buy semi key dates in rare grades, ie 1915/18 1/2d and 1914/15/25/26/31 1d. I've always thought pre 1936 (uncleaned) florins would also be a good buy if they are in a rare condition.
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 Posted 12/06/2011  07:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ozcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the 2000 $1/10c mule is going to get very expensive.
It is rare, but not so rare that there is no interest and is a very nice, real error.
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 Posted 12/06/2011  07:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Add to that the wavy 1966 20c peice. They could very well in 50 years be the coins that grandkids turn around and ask (do you have any 20c coins around so I can look through them for one, like people do know with tins of pennies looking for the 1930)
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 Posted 12/06/2011  07:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enoilgam to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Rarity is not the greatest measure of a coins value. As I mentioned in another thread, coin values are determined primarily by consumer demand as opposed to rarity. For instances, a US 1909 S VDB cent is worth about $1000 in average condition, despite the fact that it had a mintage of ~400,000. The reason why it is so valuable is because Lincoln cents are very popular with collectors.

Back on topic, modern bullion issues from the Perth Mint probably are solid sleepers - they have an element of collectibility to them as opposed to many other modern bullion issues (like Kruggerrands etc). The Swan Dollar patterns (not sure of the proper name) could also be sleepers as their value has skyrocketed in recent years. If this rise is caused by genuine collector interest then they would likely be great sleepers - if caused by speculators then I would steer clear.
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 Posted 12/06/2011  6:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Australian coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually I'm very good now at knowing what I want to buy and if it will make money if I decide to sell it.

I have a few coins now that I bought (obviously because I liked the design too) that will defiantly make $50 - $100+ from the release price.
For less then 12 months from release that's a good investment.

Anyway I don't have much money to spend as a younger person, so I have spent many an hour doing plenty of research and knowing exactly what I want to buy.

Buying new release coins:
In essence, you obviously look at the mintage, the design and if you like it (after all it's for you to enjoy) what denomination -- value is the coin eg, 50c, $1, $5, $10. and most importantly is it an base metal coin like silver or gold, and yes I wish platinum.
Or a lesser coin like aluminium bronze or cupro nickel.

Mostly gold and silver and platinum are the money markers. But even then a crappy mintage or unpopular design that no one wants can result in losing money in the long term.

I also stay clear or crappy bullion coins (my choice) I don't believe in buying a plain silver coin in a plastic capsule, if I am buying a coin I want it in a box with a certificate and guaranteed mintage, duh! I don't like the idea of bullion coins mass produced like the 2012 dragon coin -- millions I tell ya.
Not to mention the mint sells them wholesale for $21.12 for ½ oz, they then are sold for retail price by a coin dealer for $35.00, you will never make any money on these things as they are always going to be only worth silver price.
Obviously if you had a complete set of all the years, then it may be an investment, but buy one single coin is a no no.

Buying older coins:
This is a toughie, besides my effort at trying to make pre decimal sets. No one really knows how to make an amazing investment, my rule is try to buy it cheap then I cant loose that much money on it.
As coins get more older, and more people want to collect them over time price will slowly go up, as I have noticed I could buy as many threepences as I wanted 12months ago for 50c each, now I have to fork out $1 each for the crappy ones. They are slowly been snapped up and they just aint around like they used to be.

If you are going for one or two older coins I would suggest trying to get quality coins at a good price as they will do better in the long run.
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 Posted 12/06/2011  7:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Australian coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also as I am a naughty girl, I found some really cheap coins! Brand spanking new under release price, as a typo accident and you can't loose (Australia Post) website.
They fixed it now as I now know the main coin person over there, I told them it was wrong twice and they said no it's ok, but they soon fixed it after we got our coins, ha it must have been an expensive typo learning lesson.
I got the silver roo boxed 2012 coin for $75 instead of $100, and my mate got the gold one for $280 instead of $365.


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 Posted 12/07/2011  02:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve - Oz 50c man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well done Australian coin, had a similar experience a few months back, my local post office had 2010 proof set on display for $60, I asked if that was the correct price and was told it was, how many do you have was my next question ;-) I bought the three remaining sets in stock!
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 Posted 12/07/2011  04:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MobOfRoos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The pre decimal market is pretty much settled as it has been going for nearly 50 years.

My guess is that there are sleepers in the decimal market.

Forget the commemorative coins, every man and his dog takes them out of circulation. The 1985, 1991 and 1997 10c have tiny mintages by modern standards as does the 1972, 1973, 1974 & 1997 50c, there are a few low mintage year $1 and $2 coins.

If the RAM decide to standardise our coins (like they have in Britain and New Zealand) then the demand for these low mintage years will skyrocket, much like the interest in the 1972 5c already has thanks to speculation that the 5c will be discontinued
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 Posted 12/07/2011  05:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erkle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i started of on a parliament house theme, but after coming across a few low mintage coins I am in 2 minds abut it now.
Australian coin, made a lot of sense to me with her earlier post.
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 Posted 12/07/2011  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ADMISLSE to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For me, I still think the pre-decimal coins are my first choice in term of long term investment, but need pick up the theme carefully, especially the grades. Old coins does not alwasy bring you fortune. Right now, I focus on Crown, 1927 Canberra Florin and 1934-35 Melbourne Centenary Florin, 1966 50c.
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