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 Posted 12/28/2011  9:05 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add kenhovey to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I got this a couple of days ago. I haven't much literature on Chinese coins yet. But I'm working on it.
At first it looked like SHUN CHIH, AD 1644-1661,Board of Revenue mint. On a closer look, the text was off a little and the background didn't look like it was cast in sand nor like it was machine pressed. The 3rd picture showes the multitude of "triangles" and the hole was VERY square with a couple of edges looking like overflow of a pour cast. I realized if cast in 1650's using multiple mints etc. there could by many variants but I am new at this.Is this a copy? I can't picture anyone faking a inexpensive coin.



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 Posted 12/28/2011  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apollo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I think it's real, the dots looks original as a normal cast one, not like the reproductions when the dots are circular. Looks genuine to me. Sap will probably determine it's authenticity for sure.
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 Posted 12/28/2011  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately, no, it's not real, but a modern machine-struck replica. The synthetic spotty background is better than on some modern replicas, but the tiny triangles give it away. Genuine cast coins have a chaotic mottled pattern. Further, the style of writing, particularly the Manchu on the reverse, is utterly unlike anything that appeared on a real coin.

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I can't picture anyone faking a inexpensive coin.

Sorry, but they do. These modern replicas are widely made and used for ritual purposes (funeral rites, feng shui ornamentation, that sort of thing). Genuine cash coins come in a wide variety of sizes and thicknesses, especially the later types that are most commonly encountered in the marketplace. In many non-specialist coin dealers, you can find a bowl labelled "Chinese cash coins - $2 each", in which fakes and genuine coins happily sit side by side.

Someone making, for example, feng shui coin swords needs hundreds of coins that all have identical width, thickness and hole size, otherwise the swords would come out looking scraggly and uneven. That was easy to do over a hundred years ago when cash coins were in common use, but these days it's far easier for such a person to order a bucketful of freshly-minted artificially-aged machine-identical coins than to try to trawl through buckets of mixed genuine cash coins looking for matching examples. And apparently, the evil spirits can't tell the difference between fake coins and real ones.
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 Posted 12/28/2011  10:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apollo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oops, sorry. I'll have to study up on these.
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 Posted 12/28/2011  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kenhovey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought is was a fake. I saw a photo of it before I received it and the background looked a little off not to mention the text. It didn't cost me a dime and now I know what to look for.
thanks again
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 Posted 12/29/2011  12:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent photograph, and enough the show the evenness of the edges. Too good to be genuine.
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Indeed it is a fake. I see hundreds of these selling for 2 dollars a piece in the local dollar store.
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I recently posted pictures of a similar machine struck fake. It is also from the same emperor. I think my two coins are a die match with each other, but yours is different.

I also saw similar fake coins of the same emperor at the last coin show I went to.

I wonder if there's a reason for the fakes being from this emperor? Perhaps the characters are especially lucky or desirable. . .

When first looking at cash coins, I was taken in by these. Now with a little more experience I quickly see that something 'doesn't look right' which is a big red flag.

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