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English Groat 1464 Edward IV Clipped

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Imasnore's Avatar
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 Posted 01/03/2012  6:42 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Imasnore to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This English Groat has been "clipped" or "shaved"
The older the coin the more likely this event will occur.
This example I have weighs 2.89 to 2.86 grams.
The ideal or untampered coin is 3.1 grams.

My question(s) are: Is this coin damaged ? How is it graded based on this type of condition issue ?

I have included pictures of the coin and edges as it is hammered and the jpeg may help.

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 Posted 01/07/2012  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Imasnore:

I would not regard this coin as 'damaged'.

The coin is obviously 'clipped', and that term would be included in any description of it. The weight(s) would help give some idea of the extent of the clipping, if it were not photographed.

I am strictly a novice when it comes to grading hammered coins. I have a bit of trouble with the old English Lombardic form of script, but I think I can read
'CITIVAS EBORACI' on the reverse inside circle. That makes it a product of the York Mint. I have no idea as to how to date this series, the only reason I have given it in the description, is that you have provided it.

If I were writing an auction catalogue description, it would be
'Groat Edward 1V 1464, York Mint, clipped 2.87 grammes, Fine.'

Value? With clipping, perhaps something around $70, but I admit that is a bit of a guesstimate.

Hope this helps.
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 Posted 01/07/2012  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe it states "CIVITAS LONDON". The rose mintmark puts it at 1464-65.

I was waiting for someone to give more knowledgeable answer for I can offer only my opinion. Personally I would be happy to get a coin like that - nicely defined portrait, all legends are readable (especially if you know what to look for). Given your information the coin is about 92.5% intact which makes it about only 3.7% reduction of the diameter (on the average).
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