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Has anyone ever seen this die pairing before or know where an example other than the one I have listed for sale on the bay can be found? I honestly have searched for a couple years to find this obverse on an R.K. Findlay token and I have had no luck at all. Usually I can find anything online but I've never been able to find this token. Can anyone help please? Thanks!   |
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Pillar of the Community
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I consulted George & Melvin Fuld's book, U.S. Civil War Store Cards. The reverse is die number 1310, on page 538 The Findlay & Co. Grocer obverse paired with the 1310 reverse is identified as a WI410C-2a.
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Sorry, forgot to add it is listed as an R-6 token
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After listing it on the bay someone sent me a message saying
"Hi,
Robert Kraft, who had the best collection of Wisconsin CWT ever formed, used to record each specimen he saw for sale. In twelve years he saw four of these and fourteen of the other variety."
So based on the number of occurrences this is a pretty rare specimen right? I mean although the die itself for the Findlay company might be an R-6 the pairing of this obverse and reverse seems to be far more rare which could make this token closer to an R-7 piece logically.
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PG is right. It's an R-6, 21-75 estimated to exist.
I can see where you're going as per Kraft's own notations. Unfortunately, any additional thoughts as per higher rarity would be conjecture.
Regardless, it's a nice specimen :)
Edited by CheetahCats
01/16/2012 02:53 am
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Cool! Thanks guys for the input, I really appreciate it. Hopefully it brings pretty decent money that way I can put some more money into my type set! Trying to piece together a complete type set in MS with the exception of things such as the chain cent and 1796 quarter, etc.
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Hello! Just got another message about that token to update everyone! "When Mr. Kraft sold his collection in 1991, an catalog was printed by the auctioneer, Rich Hartzog. This catalog, which is sometimes seen on ebay, is entitled Wisconsin Civil War Tokens and includes all the tracking info prepared by Mr. Kraft, who appears to be a meticulous record keeper (he is still with us, I believe; he sold it because it had become almost impossible to improve the set). The catalog says the token is R-7. I think if you see one every three years you have a case for calling it R-8, but that's me; other dealers were consulted about these rarity ratings, and they tried to get a consensus." |
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As a general guide when we see a Rarity ranking change it is almost always to a more common level. It makes sense given that as more and more coins enter the marketplace over the years, the known population increases. I myself have seen a Michigan R-9 token appear multiple times in the last year on ebay alone, and I have owned another 2. Not bad for an R-9 with 2 to 4 estimated to exist per Fuld. But is that variety really an R-9? Most likely not to my thinking. |
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That may be true but in this case it is opposite as it is exceedingly difficult to find this particular variety, I've searched and searched and never found another one
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It can be frustrating at times when looking for a specific token. Myself I have been searching for a specific R3 for years, without seeing a single one.
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That may be true but in this case it is opposite as it is exceedingly difficult to find this particular variety, I've searched and searched and never found another one Welcome to the joy of token collecting :) I have a nice sized list of specimens and varieties that I always have my eye out for. And when you do finally come across one, obtaining it is that much more rewarding. Edited by CheetahCats
01/16/2012 10:42 pm
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