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The Numismatically Unimportant Stone Mountain Commemorative

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1.3 million of these things were minted:

let's do a price biopsy on it:

the coin sold about 20% of the authorized mintage, mostly to southern confederate sympathisers. at a $1 issuing price the coin cost $12.57 in today's dollars.

fast forward 40 years.

in 1965 the coin would cost you 57.12 in today's dollars, take out the adjusted for inflation bullion value and you have a $53.79 coin.

So after 40 years, MS-63/UNC Stone Mountain Coins gained $41.33 in numismatic value.

fast forward to 1981

in 1981 the coin would cost you 81.51 in today's dollars, taking out the adjusted for inflation bullion value and you have $63.09 in numismatic value.

fast forward to 2009

in 2009 the coin would cost you 99.75 in today's dollars, taking out the adjusted for inflation bullion value and you have $95.40 in numismatic coin.

or an increase of $1.75 per year since 1981.

Any price pressure put on this coin is the result of set collectors- which probably accounts for the slow crawl north in the price scale.

This coin is a good blue print for modern commemorative collectors to pay attention to- as most modern issues will follow this trend...

So don't worry that Statue of Liberty half will be worth $60 in 2050... if we live that long to cash it in.
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I still want one for my 7070!
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An interesting analysis. I feel it justifies my being a collector (as opposed to an investor).
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Since my sets are complete (less two Early Commemoratives) and I have shifted my emphasis to gathering significant numbers of the low mintage MS Modern Commemoratives as an investment bodes well based on your analysis. Suddenly I feel all warm and fuzzy (or maybe my kids should).
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I am interested in how the pricier and more popular (e.g. beloved Oregon) have done.

I'll also be curious to see which moderns do well in the coming decades. What will become of cast-offs like the Botanical Gardens one that were only purchased for the matte proofs that came with them?
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captainwiffo- I'm working on that very question. I'm throwing some cast off ideas on the board here to see if anything inspires a response. I'm finding that most of the "value" attributed to classic coins happened early in the series lifespan- I can't tell you what that means going forward for that series- it's probably priced right- but I'm testing a hypothesis about Optimum Collecting Grade... which I think isn't what people think it is.
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I'm not sure I follow you on this one CC ... appears that you are suggesting demand is driving the slow price increase ... but there are WAY more Stone Mountain out there than interested collectors.

Please clarify the point you are making.

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@Nickel

Ok, let me rephrase that... this way...

dealers have slowly inched the price up over the years... and album collectors have complied with that pricing. There is no evidence that there is any particular demand or interest in the series except for those superb gem+ collectors who are competing for a relatively small supply of top tier coins.

my analysis of Optimum Collecting Grade is not yet complete- but what I am seeing is that in order to recognize coins that have structural weakness in price- you have to look for a historical trend in demand. it's not clear cut- but you can see structural pricing where dealers across the years have pushed prices of common low demand items up - and demand pricing where collectors have pursued a coin or series.

Two series that are really interesting and help tell the narrative are classic US Gold and classic US Silver commemoratives.

Unfortunately, I still have so much work to do and can only share little pieces here and there for now :)

Charles
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Thanks for bringing this up! I got mine;

https://goccf.com/t/109644

I saw some pretty well circulated examples of this type as well...may have to pick one of these up for a "pocket piece".
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