Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
300,000 items to help build your collection! Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin AuctionsCoin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Specializing in Modern Numismatics Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes.








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

1775 Unlisted Overdate? 10 Kruezer 1775/4

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 9 / Views: 3,259Next Topic  
Pillar of the Community
ilikeikes's Avatar
United States
1205 Posts
 Posted 02/01/2012  4:00 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ilikeikes to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I bought this yesterday at my local coin store, as it listed as "Unlisted Overdate"..there is a DISTINCT 4 under the last 5 in 1775, so, that's good thing for us error guys...I don't know if the coin was attributed correctly, I cannot see a match anywhere(obverse reads FRANC.D: G.R.IMP.S.A. GE. IER.REX.I(OR, L?)G(OR O?) BM.H.D. REVERSE READS IN IE DOMINE SPERAVI . 1775 H UNDER LEFT LEAVES, A UNDER RIGHT LEAVES(AS VIEWED), AND 10 IN CENTER OF PEDESTAL.......could be a contemporary counterfeit(unlikely, as VERY well made), or a pattern, or, I'm hunting in the wrong Country...weighs 3.70 grams...measures approx 63/64"..slip from store says"1755/4 HA AUSTRIA 10 Kreuzer Unlisted Overdate--KM 2023" VF.
Opinions welcomed..IF this turns out to be a new overdate, that would be nice, and off to Anacs for a "First Found" slab!
Thanks

1775-Unlisted-Overdate?-10-Kruezer-1775/4

1775-Unlisted-Overdate?-10-Kruezer-1775/4

1775-Unlisted-Overdate?-10-Kruezer-1775/4
Bedrock of the Community
DVCollector's Avatar
United States
10045 Posts
 Posted 02/01/2012  5:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Based on your one closeup pic, it's pretty easy for me to "connect the dots" and see a 5/4.
I'm unfamiliar with this particular coin, but I've found more than a few overdates myself. I think this coin is a very strong possibility.
You might look for a 1774 coin and see whether that digit corresponds to what is seen here.
Taking photos from a few lighting angles also helps show details to the underlying digit.
Here's an example of a 1875/74, at two lighting angles with an overlay of the 4 digit.

1775-Unlisted-Overdate?-10-Kruezer-1775/4
Pillar of the Community
ilikeikes's Avatar
United States
1205 Posts
 Posted 02/01/2012  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ilikeikes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice overlays DV---thank you for the efforts! I'll tell you, I'm having a hard time ID'ing this bloody thing..would seem so easy..checked numismaster world coin site, google...no exact match is popping up...that's OK--hunting around for info/history of coins this old is half the fun.
I DO know a professional long-time coin-dealer with 10,000 years of experience labled the sleeve it came in..BUT, where he got his "unrecorded" overdate info is beyond me...some searches were pulling Hungary up..if I KNEW what the coin was, I could then scour the web for date-to-date errors on it(double dies, overdates and mis-placed dates)
Pillar of the Community
ilikeikes's Avatar
United States
1205 Posts
 Posted 02/01/2012  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ilikeikes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I found a very close similar coin(cannot save in jpeg, only in php, thus, cannot download for here, so, use this link
http://avscoins.com/viewlarge.php?i...0(A-D)&file=[GE1-201]Bavaria-10-Kreuzer-1775.jpg
now, I'm trying to find the exact coin, with matching obverse/reverse.
Here's the info on the 1775 10 Kreuzer from the link(my silver weight seems within guidelines(3.70-3.65)
Pillar of the Community
United States
645 Posts
 Posted 02/01/2012  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DCH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Austria 10 Kreuzer, KM#2023.
Pillar of the Community
ilikeikes's Avatar
United States
1205 Posts
 Posted 02/01/2012  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ilikeikes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DCH..I apologize for my limited knowledge here, but, those listed as KM#2023 ALL have DG MAX-JOS.U.b & are obverse..mine has FRANC. D : G . R. IMP . S . A .
What is this variation please? I don't have the world coin book 1700-1800 :(
Ty
CG
Pillar of the Community
United States
645 Posts
 Posted 02/02/2012  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DCH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure where you're getting MAX-JOS legend for KM#2023, it shouldn't start until 1768 with KM#2063.

http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/Wo...oinid=176237
Pillar of the Community
ilikeikes's Avatar
United States
1205 Posts
 Posted 02/02/2012  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ilikeikes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I FOUND IT..click this link..why is it so expensive? NO WAY
http://www.moneta.at/product_info.p...55-Graz.html
Pillar of the Community
ilikeikes's Avatar
United States
1205 Posts
 Posted 02/02/2012  6:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ilikeikes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It gets quite interesting, as my LEGEND is different than THIS, from
Krause(I'll write My coins' Legend after this)
KRAUSE listing for KM#2023:

Basic Coin Information
KM# 2023
Denomination 10 Kreuzer
Country Austria
Government Holy Roman Empire
Ruler Franz I
Coinage Type Uniform Coinage
Composition Silver
Fineness 0.5
Weight 3.89 g 0.0625 oz ASW
Description Obverse Bust within wreath
Description Reverse Crowned double eagle above boxed value
Legend Obverse FRANC • D • G • are • IMP • S • A • G • ER • IER • REX •
LO • B • M • H • D •
Legend Reverse INTE DOMINE - SPERAVI
=================================
Now, mine:(ASTERISK =STOPS)(WEAK IN AREA OF LO .B . M . H, DIE WEAR)
OBVERSE FRANC * D:(2 STOPS, 1 HIGH, 1 LOW) G * are * IMP * S * A * GE *
IER * REX * L * O * B * M * H * D *
REVERSE IN TE DOMINE SPERAVI * 1755 X
LETTERS THROUGH LOWER PEDESTAL H--(10) A
==========================================
So, a few minor differences noted there
Edited by ilikeikes
02/02/2012 7:34 pm
Pillar of the Community
ilikeikes's Avatar
United States
1205 Posts
 Posted 02/02/2012  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ilikeikes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see I put the date wrong in title..should read 1755, not 1775..ooops.
  Previous TopicReplies: 9 / Views: 3,259Next Topic  

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.27 seconds to rattle this change. Forums