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 Posted 02/12/2012  9:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cajunlady0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all for the comments and suggestions. I am drawn to these coins for some reason. I am still learning about them and until I have my 2 in hand, then I can really start to learn to identify them.

I will have to get a book that shows pictures and some history of the rulers and the period. Have seen little blurbs on ebay about particular rulers and find it all very fascinating.

I read up on the cleaning process that I should follow. One thing that crossed my mind, and it was not even mentioned as a DO or a DONT ........... using an electric toothbrush. I have one that I use. The brush is soft bristles. I think after a good soak in distilled water and then olive oil for the tough ones, that toothbrush would be perfect. Gentle, yet enough force to knock off the loose stuff. Surely, it will not hurt any type of metal.

I think if I attempt to clean some, I will experiment with the low end uncleaned ones. Since I have none, to speak of in my collection, then anything will be good for me to learn off of.

The two that I purchased came from ebay and are not the high end type based on the prices I paid. I think they are the real common ones, but they looked a whole lot better than many others I have seen with worn down details. I will post them when they arrive. Don't laugh at them or my excitement. Remember, these are my first ones. I have never even held one in my hands before.

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 Posted 02/12/2012  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jessvc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yeah I think your going the right way. its best to start with lower end coins so you can get the hang of it, have fun and post some pics.
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I will post them when they arrive. Don't laugh at them or my excitement. Remember, these are my first ones. I have never even held one in my hands before.


I don't think anyone here will laugh at them, and quite the contrary, will find each coin interesting. Out of curiosity, do you have the identity of the two coins you purchased off ebay. Which Emperor and which reverse type? As far as I can tell, no one here is a coin snob, and we enjoy helping new collectors. I know I've given this before, but there are on-line resources for identifying your coins, and for researching the history. Once you get these coins, someone here will point you in the right directions. We all started where you are today. Again, welcome to this discussion board.
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 Posted 02/12/2012  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jessvc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
no coin snobs here we all share the same interest and I'm learning as I go because I'm a newby too
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 Posted 02/12/2012  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm looking forward to see what you got.
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 Posted 02/12/2012  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cajunlady0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.ebay.com/itm/20070949684....m1439.l2649


http://www.ebay.com/itm/20070949613....m1439.l2649

The seller combined shipping on these two. I hope they arrive tomorrow.

The lighting is not good on the pics he took. I am going just by what he wrote in his description, otherwise they both look the same to me. LOL I will try to take better pics when they come in.

Is he correct with the information?

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 Posted 02/12/2012  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Two nice coins to start your collection of ancients. From what I can see from the sellers picture you are not going to have to clean them. They are fine as they are.
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 Posted 02/12/2012  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jessvc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
one victories and one standard coin nice pick. Victories and standards coins are some nice coins. I like the designs.
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Both coins look in fair condition and are worth what you paid, especially since the seller combined shipping. I looked at some on-line resources and think each coin should be worth slightly higher, but it's difficult to be sure since I can't make out the mintmarks. The reference for the Constans is for the Siscia mint, but I would like to see a better image to be sure that is the case.

Overall, you did well for your first purchase of Ancients. These are common enough coins where you shouldn't get burned and you can learn a lot about how an Ancient of the fourth century should look and feel.
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Don't laugh at them or my excitement. Remember, these are my first ones. I have never even held one in my hands before.
Because you are new to collecting ancients? As far as I know, we in the Ancients forum are not rude or inconsiderate like that. We were in the same position you were at some point; for me that was almost a year ago. Nice coins btw and at good prices.


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I remember ValiantKnight finding something just recently that was pretty rare. But how many did he have to go through to find that one coin and how much did he have to pay for the privilege of cleaning the rest?
It was my first and only low-quality lot I ever purchased, so I went through and had already identified like, 6 or 7 before I tried my hand with the Procopius, and I had previously relegated it to the "forever unattributable" group. The whole lot was less than $20 shipped (around a dollar and something for each coin) and out of 14 I already have 10 fully attributed, with two of those 10 attributed just today, and I am nearly close to identifying another of the "un-attributables".
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Considering coins, information and prices, the only possible disappointment I can foresee is that both are quite small coins but that was properly described). I would suggest, as did echizento, not trying more cleaning since these are now attributable and have been cleaned to a point that might suggest the 'easy' dirt is gone and what remains would be a problem. You can always clean then in a few years when they are no longer you best coins if you still want too.
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Well.......... my coins arrived this morning. These are the scanned pics of them.

I must say, they are not what I expected. I knew they were small but I thought they would have more weight to them. Are all Roman coins this thin?

I know there are larger coins, but is the majority of them this size? dime size and smaller?



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This is what is on the paper from the seller for the above coin:

Constans 337-350 337-346 AE4

O: Diad. dr. bust r
R: Two victories facing each other
22-3
SEAR 3871


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The above coin is marked as follows:

Constantius II AD 337-361 (324-337)
AE 3/4 (17 mm)

R: 2 soldiers stg. beside 1 standard

SEAR 3887


Can someone tell me if all this is accurate?

As for my thoughts on my first 2 Roman coins, I am still undecided. I like them, but had no clue about their real size or color. These are brass in color.

Thanks everyone for their comments.


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Many Roman Imperial coins are thin and weigh between 1 - 3 grammes each. Some of the older coins are thicker and weigh more. I have a Constans coin that is 17mm and only weighs 1.2g. It's almost thin enough to bend or break by hand.
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There is a size classification for Roman coins.

AE1 - AE4

AE 1 are very large, about the size of a modern US dollar coin or larger.

AE 2 are around the size of a US quarter.

AE 3 can be from a nickel to a dime in size.

AE 4 are the smallest and are under the size of a dime.

AE 1 - >25mm
AE 2 - 21-25mm
AE 3 - 15-21mm
AE 4 - <15mm

AE is the metal type. Which happens to be copper alloy, or bronze types.
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One more thing. The size classification I just talked about is also used when the denomination is not known. Denominations in some cases are unknown to modern numismatists and historians.
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