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Can A Non Full Strike Coin Grade MS-68?

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 Posted 01/22/2007  3:28 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add gusp to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Can a non fully struck modern Busines Strike gem ever grade MS68? How about some of the other older coinages known with weak strikes? Can they grade GEM 65 even? Check out Peace dollars, some O Morgans, and tough date Buffalos. I alway thought that if a coin was as made and devoid of contact marks that it should gem grade accordingly, and that Full Strike gems should be additionally desiginated as such. Comments? Gusp
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 Posted 01/22/2007  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A Modern? No, absolutely not. A coin of which all known examples are of a weak strike? Maybe. I don't know of any. A New Orleans Morgan? Never. Peace dollar? Never.

I could extend 65 to a real nice example with a somewhat weak strike, and maybe even 66 to a coin which would be 67-68 but for the strike. But, IMO, no coin should grade 68 without a full strike by the strictest definition of the term.

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 Posted 01/22/2007  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gusp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Certainly seems to be that way in fact. But...Is this strict grading, or market grading? What about Non full step Jefferson nickels? What if coin is literally flawless and otherwise MS70 or 69?
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if we are talking about a SGS MS-68 then sure but if we are talking about PCGS,NGC,ANACS then the answer is it should never make the 68 grade without a full strike
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I've seen coins in slabs that were noted as WEAK strikes and the grades were always way down in the AU bracket although they appeared to have no wear at all. I've got plenty of coins that show weak strikes and I would bet if graded by a TPG they would end up being AU50 or thereabouts.
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The strike needs to be full to grade ms65, right? Then I'll be the purist and say if the strike isn't full, ms64 max.
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There are many examples of the Jefferson nickel graded by pcgs well above MS-65 that do not attain the FS rating, the steps are a product of a weakness in the strike of the coin, as well as the hair details ,these two areas due to the depth of the design especially in the older high relief coins was difficult to completely fill increased pressure was very hard on the dies and of course with less pressure the dies lasted longer but the strike quality suffered.

Here is just one example http://cgi.ebay.com/MS67-PCGS-1943-...67_W0QQitemZ120076260537QQihZ002QQcategoryZ41088QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120076260537

But if the sellers claim is to be believe it is the highest grade of this year and mint ever graded by PCGS.



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