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Help me better understand matte proofs. I've looked at countless references, I get what it's supposed to look like from reading descriptions, but I can never really tell one apart from a coin that has a nice amount of wear.

For example, here's a 1994 P Jefferson.

Would you say it is a matte proof, or just well worn? And if it's not, what is the giveaway that it isn't?

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The strike on the matte proof is much stronger. The steps for example tell me it's not an SMS coin. (In my opinion.)
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Proofs are at least struck twice, sometimes more, irrespective of the fact that they may be a polidhed cameo proof or not.

That can be evidenced by what specksynder has just said.

In the past, a proof was just struck by the best quality standard die that could be made on a selected quality planchet.

Matte proofs used to be struck from lightly sandblasted dies and planchets. Not popular now. The market prefers polished cameo proofs. These have polished fields and the details on the dies are cameoed by laser etching.

BTW, I dont think that the Jeff pictured is a proof of either sort! Hmmmm...

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The 1994P "special uncirculated" coins are not, technically, matte proofs. They're matte-finished uncirculated.
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Bingo Sap.

In either case, at this point of wear a matte/satin "SMS" would be hard to tell apart; however, this looks like a standard business strike to me.
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This coin is in a later die state due to the flow lines on the periphery, you would never find one of the specially-minted Jeffersons with that degree of die wear. It is just damaged pocket change.
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I didn't think they issued any special Jefferson in 1994? Just regular proofs from San Fran for the proof sets, and regular uncirculated in the mint sets. Never heard of a matte proof issued in 1994, or am I missing something?

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There are special matte 1994 p and 1997 p Jefferson nickels that were issued as part of coinage and currency sets for those years. The matte 1997 p is the key to the series with only 25,000 minted
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