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What's My Dealer Worth?

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 Posted 05/18/2005  11:08 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Okay, now it is time to talk about dealers. Dealers come in all shapes and sizes, from the small guy setting up at the local coin club to the international dealers. According to the 2005 Numismatic Dealers Directory, http://greysheet.com/cdn/numdd.asp there are roughly 3500 dealers in the U.S.
Becoming a coin dealer in most states is not that difficult a proposition. Simply applying for the tax license will make you a dealer. Add to this that vast number of sellers in the online auctions and your possibilities are endless. So how do you rate a dealer?
When choosing a dealer, you should first think about your collection. Many dealers specialize in specific areas, and they can have a much better impact on your collection. You should also check their affiliations. The PNG http://www.pngdealers.com/Public/In...KEN=32726943 and ANA http://www.money.org are good places to start. However, member dealers should not be judged solely on this membership. Some larger dealers are also listed on the Dunn and Bradsheet exchange. Check other smaller associations like charity organizations. Often dealers will become associated with their community in outreach programs.
There is an old addage to buy the book before the coin. This should also apply to your dealer. Start out talking with your dealer before purchasing from them. Too often collectors get into a hurry to make a purchase. This is not always the best technique to use. With few exceptions, most coins can be found at anytime.
The internet has made the life of the collector a bit easier. Now using google searching for "coin dealer" results in Results 1 - 10 of about 3,070,000 for coin dealers. Granted most are repeated several hundred times, but should show that no one needs to be general in their search.
Your dealer should picked based solely on your collecting habits. If you collect circulated Indian cents, you will not require the services of a nationally recognized dealer.
Your dealer should treat you with respect. I know all too well that many find dealing with new customers with the same joy as having teeth pulled. While anyone can have a bad day, no one should be stuck with a bad dealer.
Now that you have done a basic check on a prospective dealer, contact them either by phone or email. Ask a few basic questions like what price guide do they use, which certification services do they use, what grading standards do they use. What return and guarantee policies do they use.
(HINT) All dealers should guarantee authenticity for the life of the coin.
You and your dealer should have a basic standard by which you are comfortable with. If you would never consider a lousy third party grading service, your dealer should not be selling them. If they tell you that grading company X is horrible, yet they offer them, well time to shop for another dealer.
Ask about their payment plans. Do they accept all forms of payments that you may utilize. Do they offer pre-payments? Do they offer pre-sale items such as Mint and Proof Sets?
Today there are fewer and fewer dealers who still operate a coin shop. Coin shops are expensive, dangerous, time consuming, and overall tough to operate effectively. Since you won't be able to see them face to face on a regular basis, you should take great care in examining their return policy, along shipping prices.
It will not take long to determine if the dealer grades coins the same way that you do. If they sell you a coin in the grade of XF, it should meet YOUR expectation of what an XF coin needs to be. Remember that this is your money. NEVER settle for a coin that doesn't meet or exceed your expectations.
Ask if your dealer offers a wantlist program. Be sure to note if they charge for this service if you do not purchase the coin. (They should not). Ask about their show schedule. Ask about auction representation. Despite what some think, there are many coin auction houses.
Lastly, when looking for a dealer, do not go into the search with preconceived perceptions. Not all dealers are bad or crooks. Not all are searching to rob you of your money or collection. Don't assume that pay less than auction prices. Leave your assumptions at the door and find yourself a good quality dealer.
A good dealer is like any good professional. They can offer you insight into the hobby that you will not learn on your own. They see many thousands of coins and deal with many different people every day. Anytime you do something long enough, you learn little tricks to the trade. This can only be learned from experience.
You can use your dealer for more than just coins. Take the time to learn about the coins that you like. Learn about what makes that coin popular or not popular. Learn what makes the coin valuable. Learn what factors make the market move. Learn about what makes the grade. Learn about the hobby as a whole.
While there are short answers to all these questions, there are also deep answers that most overlook. A good dealer will help guide you through the hobby. They can assist in many ways that most do not realize.
As with each coin, each dealer must be judged by their own merit. No two coins will be exactly alike, and no two dealers will be exactly alike. If you follow these simple rules, you will learn to enjoy the hobby a great deal more, along with protecting yourself from the pitfalls.
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 Posted 05/18/2005  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great information, ND!

I would like to add that it has been my experience that the really good dealers get as much satisfaction out of helping a collector as they do making a sale. Many dealers started out as collectors, and if you are lucky, they will remember what it was like when they were collecting and be able to understand your point of view. They also realize that an educated buyer is their best customer.
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 Posted 05/18/2005  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My Idea of a good dealer....
1.Tries to build a solid relationship.... stop in as much as possible, solicit information, establish that you are a sincere customer, don’t make ridiculous offers. Call and say hello or ask a question over the phone. Be willing to learn as well as share information.
2. Try and buy something from time to time, and if possible come into the store with something specific in mind. Do not be afraid if asked to make an offer nor fear a reasonable counter offer from either side of the counter!
3.Make sure your dealer backs the grades he assigns within reason.
4.Make sure the prices charged are near what average sales prices are elsewhere. (Do some Homework!) Good dealers love educated buyers.
5. Give your dealer a chance to locate something he may not have in stock. It may take a week or two, but at my dealer if I make an inquiry, he will ask me weeks later if I'm still in the market!
6. Try and find a dealer who is a collector as well! The passion will bleed through no matter what. My dealer still reminisces about coins bought and sold 30 years ago!
7, You’re dealer is a businessman, not brother Ed or cousin Bill. Remember he is trying to make a living (sometimes struggling to do so)at this.

I'm very lucky because I have found all of these things and more in my dealer. If I don't come by for a few months, he even calls to see if I'm O.K.! Mike

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05/19/2005 04:08 am
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 Posted 05/18/2005  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
14-D Ya I have some just a minute , Oh I'm sorry I cant show them to you I have to have them re graded and get the prices current can you come back next week ? sure I will be back next sat,, Hi I came back like you asked are the coins ready for viewing ,, no I didnt get them finished but your welcome to keep asking about them ? an actual conversation between me and my local dealer LOL what a joke !!! keep in mind that it is a 45 mile round trip from my house to the coin shop ,, coin dealers like this are a great advertisement for ebay and a poor recommendation to even consider dealing solely with dealers.What's-My-Dealer-Worth?

I live in rural america its a long ways to anywhere out here alb. 200 miles one way , Las Cruces 86 miles one way, Elpaso 101 miles one way ,,

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 Posted 05/18/2005  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Farstaff to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I not had much luck with local dealers either. I get the feeling that they are trying to pull a fast one over on me or at least think they can. I prefer mail order or occasionly ebay. I try to buy from the same mail order dealers or ebay sellers whom I have done business with before and was pleased with the results.
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 Posted 05/18/2005  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have found that most "local" dealers are tougher to deal with. They are stuck in their stores trying to make a living marketing to a small group of people. Their prices are usually based in the Red Book, and they seem to be bothered by customers. However, there are exceptions to the rule.
You don't have to buy from a dealer to make the relationship a good one. You can pick their brains for information.
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 Posted 05/19/2005  12:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add knowtracks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very thoughtfull insight ND
Thank You


I never really considered how any professional with a passion for what he does, is willing to share his `tricks of the trade`
I know that is the way I feel about my work. Just never related it to coin collecting.
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 Posted 05/19/2005  07:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rggoodie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ND
Thanks for another great posting.

I would like to add some more qualifications of a good dealer.
1 they listen and
2 they are available.

As I deal in foreign coins only it is very difficult to even get local dealers to take an interest in what I do. Horray for local coin clubs.

But although not local as close as my keyboard is my favorite dealer- even though he is 15-16 time zones away, he always responds to my emails.
He answers questions without making me feel stupid.
he accepts small orders knowing I am not a wealthy person.
He makes suggestions to help me in my collection.
He provides a way for me to obtain hard to get items.
He refers me to other individuals, dealers and forums.
He know's I can't give him 100% of my business and is patient with me.

I have bought a few items on eBay- always makes me nervous, but I
trust my dealer (notice I used the possesive pronoun MY)

Horray for the dealers.
and Bigfella if you are out there Thank you.

Thanks to you as well ND & I would recommend you and Susan to anyone who collects American Coins - EVEN though you are not the "LOCAL DEALER" (agin whats more local that your keyboard & we know you both by experience and reputatation).
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 Posted 05/20/2005  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by knowtracks
I never really considered how any professional with a passion for what he does, is willing to share his `tricks of the trade`
I know that is the way I feel about my work. Just never related it to coin collecting.


I would not know any other way to be. My passion for coins is far greater than the simple act of buying and selling money for a living. When the collector appreciates the effort, it makes all the time worth it.
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 Posted 05/28/2005  12:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cwtokenman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A good dealer dealer should display many of the attributes mentioned prior. I have been fortunate to have been acquainted with several excellent dealers in my local area, one especially who had provided considerable positive influence. As a youthful paper boy in the 60's, my first experiences with a coin dealer were quite pleasant, and he even encouraged me to hang around the shop to learn if I wished. He shared much wisdom with me over time. Well, I hung around so much that he ended up hiring me (probably figured he was going to get most of my paycheck anyway). I worked for him for 6 years before he passed away, but what a great man he was, and such an inspiration to many kids that came into the shop.

My current local dealer is also a pretty fair fellow, as far as my dealings with him. The problem is that my interests now are in various areas of exonumia, of which his supply is rather limited. On the bright side, he does price his tokens "right" (generally cheaper than ebay), and often I just buy the whole group of tokens he has accumulated since my last visit. Few dealers, as well as few shows, have a very good selection of tokens, which is why most of my purchases are from ebay. I have made several thousand purchases from ebay, and have had excellent success in doing so. This is not to say I didn't had a few early learning experiences from being burned.

One reason for so few problems is that I don't think that many "sharks" lurk in the exonumia waters as compared with regular coinage, probably due to so many low ticket items, as well as a relatively small pool of collectors to try to take advantage of. I also suspect that since collectors of exonumia are typically somewhat specialized, they may tend to have more reference books and/or knowledge for their area(s) of interest as well. Its much harder to take advantage of a knowledgable person. If you do find a good dealer, it certainly doesn't hurt to patronize his business in order to keep him around, be it walk-in or mail order.
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