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 Posted 03/15/2012  3:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
By 1796, I meant the draped bust of course. The 1796 flowing hair coin can be called a forgery right away, as no flowing hair coins were issued in that year .
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 Posted 03/15/2012  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susana to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
jajja every year my husband gives away money on his business last year a lady said she had paid what she owed to his father and my husband gave her a receipt. She never paid and left with her receipt then we saw her at a store and he confronted her and she said " I paid, I have a receipt"
that time was $300 loss . thanks to all .
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 Posted 03/15/2012  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susana to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks coinskelly , I really admire the talent I still can not see the difference .
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 Posted 03/15/2012  3:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you think this group belonged to someone who deliberately collected counterfeits over time, or did they all come over on the same slow boat from China?
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 Posted 03/15/2012  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susana to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
maybe the guy only had fakes , but the person who paid my husband with these told him that the guy had gold coins too so ,and he died because of a medical mistake and the family got a lot of money , I don't know maybe it was just a story so he would take the coins instead of money
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 Posted 03/15/2012  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susana to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
at least my husband would never take coins or anything else that he doesn't know anything about . because for you guys it was so easy to tell if they are fakes or not .. I'm still looking at pictures trying to figure out all the differences mentioned . thanks
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The 17XX fakes were not even minted with the technology that was available in the 18th and early 19th centuries. Coins from that era were minted in open collar screw presses so they do not have a defined rim like a modern coin. A collar is a metal plate with a hole placed between the two dies, it precisely defines the diameter of a coin and applies the reeding when a coin is struck. It is also commonly known as the "third die". "Open collar" simply means that a collar was not used when the the coin was struck so the edges of a coin struck in an open collar vs. a coin struck in a collar will look completely different. Instead of reeding, the dollar and half dollar Bust coins will have lettered edges, either FIFTY CENTS OR HALF A DOLLAR or HUNDRED CENTS ONE DOLLAR OR UNIT.

The 1901 Morgan dollar has a CC mintmark under the eagle but the Carson City(NV) Mint struck its last coins in 1893. The 1847 Seated Liberty dollar has two problems, a CC mintmark(Carson City did not strike its first coins until 1870) and the IN GOD WE TRUST banner over the eagle but the motto was not used on that denomination until 1866(IGWT did not appear on ANY coin until 1864- the Two Cent Piece was the first). The 1851 "dollar" is the worst of the bunch, it roughly copies the obverse of an Indian Head Cent(a coin that did not exist until 1859) but combines it with the reverse of a Liberty gold dollar.

The Trade and Goloid patterns have issues as well but those are fairly obscure to begin with so most people would not even recognize a genuine one. Of all the fakes, the 1927 Peace dollars are probably the closest in appearance to a genuine coin but I can still definitively conclude that it is not genuine based on the appearance. Ironically, that is not a particularly rare or valuable coin as you can purchase an Almost Uncirculated(very light wear) 1927 Peace dollar for ~$50.
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03/15/2012 4:37 pm
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 Posted 03/15/2012  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you're enjoying all these diagnostic points, Susana, I'm sure we can keep them coming, what with all the examples you've provided for us. It's got to be more interesting and informative than "I'm an expert, so trust me, these are fakes."
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 Posted 03/15/2012  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Aye to re-iterate what has been said, all of these are counterfeits.

As someone who is a collector of counterfeits, I can tell you the most you'll probably get for any of those is about $2-3, and to get that price you'll need to find someone who collect them. :-)
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the indian head 1 dollar I had one of those--sticks to a magnet real good--pure scrap metal
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