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 Posted 04/11/2012  2:11 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This is not my coin but one I came across on ebay and did not win.

I'm just curious about the reverse image. I have never seen this before and cannot find it anywhere. It seems to be a two headed figure with a helmet shape like some man-headed bulls.

The inscription to left is TONOMOY I believe.

Any ideas?

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 Posted 04/11/2012  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have not seen this exact coin, nor does the name ring any bells.
I'm a real newbie on Greeks, but the overall appearance looks somewhat Seleucid?
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 Posted 04/11/2012  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting, could the full legend be 'ΝΤΙΟΞΕΩΝ ΜHΤΡΟΠΟΛΕΩΣ 'ΥΤΟΝΟΜΟΥ. I'm not sure but think the two heads could be an optical illusion, I think its possibly just a tripod.

I found this, its similar:

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ga...p?pos=-40880

Your year looks like 'KI'.

Edited to fix URL
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04/11/2012 3:08 pm
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 Posted 04/11/2012  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is closer still - note how it also does seem to have heads facing outwards

No mention in the description to this though.

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SYRIA, Seleukis and Pieria.
Antioch. Under Roman Rule. Æ 18mm (4.13 gm).
Dated year 12 [Caesarian Era] (38/37 BC).
Estimate $75.

SYRIA, Seleukis and Pieria. Antioch. Under Roman Rule. Æ 18mm (4.13 gm). Dated year 12 [Caesarian Era] (38/37 BC). Laureate head of Zeus right / Tripod; caduceus left. RPC I 4229; SNG Copenhagen 83. VF, thick green patina, some chipping around edges. Duplicate from the Richard McAlee Collection.
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 Posted 04/11/2012  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks bobbyhelmet. I think your right.

I have such an imagination.

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 Posted 04/11/2012  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a feature! "tripod surmounted by a bowl decorated with two male faces left and right" Pretty cool looking.

Another, clearer example:

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Syria, Antioch AE17. Under Roman rule, ca 21 BC. Laureate head of Zeus right / ANTIOXEWN MHTPOPOLEWS AVTONOMOY, tripod surmounted by a bowl decorated with two male faces left and right, and surmounted by three loops with branches on each; caduceus at inner left. BMC 36.

Sorry to keep posting but everytime I hit return I find a better example
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 Posted 04/11/2012  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow--good investigative work! I can better see the inscriptions, now they're pointed out.
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 Posted 04/11/2012  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Whew! It wasn't my imagination after all.

Thanks for finding that bobbyhelmet.

Now I want one. I just barely missed the other one.
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Nice job bobby!
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wow ... that was pretty slick, bobbyhelmet ...

=> unless I'm mistaken, I think that's called pullin' a jwh
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 Posted 04/12/2012  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

bobbyhelmet, may I ask where you found your example?
I've searched, even with the info from your example and still don't find it.

Although I did find another example on wildwinds of a different coin that appears to use the same reverse image. But no mention of it in the description.

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Semi-autonomous coinage of Antioch ad Orontem, Syria. Turreted and veiled bust of Tyche right / ANTIOXEWN THS MHTROPOLEWS to right and left of tripod, date ZKS below, PK monogram on Delta in left field.
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 Posted 04/12/2012  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It was here Doucet, on the 'Syria, Antioch' Wildwinds page:

http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/gree...tioch/t.html

About 10% of the way down the page - or ctrl+f 'caduceus' and its the first hit.

The refs for my last two coins were 'RPC 4240ff' and 'RPC 4229.1'.
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 Posted 04/12/2012  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks bobbyhelmet

I must be going blind. That is the same page that had the semi-anonymous coin.
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 Posted 04/12/2012  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll give myself credit for at least getting the region correct.
Next time, I'll know where to look on the coin.
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 Posted 04/12/2012  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Indeed DVC, you had Seleucid pinned by eyesight from the beginning.

No doubt I'll find another odd coin to challenge you with in the near future. Maybe from the local coin show I'll be going to this weekend.
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