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 Posted 04/22/2012  6:07 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Can anyone tell me anything about this coin I purchased on ebay for a little bit of nothing (I like the Rose):

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 Posted 04/22/2012  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What do you think about this coin--it looks similar--but yours has better details!

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Seleucid - Antiochus VII struck by John Hyrcanus I, 132-130 BC, AE prutah
Obv: Anchor
Rev: Lily.
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 Posted 04/22/2012  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks similar. Where can I find information about this coin? Also, if it is the same type of coin, what is it's worth?
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 Posted 04/22/2012  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The fabric looked vaguely Seleucid or Judean to me, so I just searched vcoins for Seleucid/Anchor/Lily. The lily may indicate its origin is Jerusalem. Your coin shows more detail than many.

Here's another being sold for $55
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This one is $400
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 Posted 04/22/2012  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wow => nice coins, fellas!!

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 Posted 04/22/2012  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Then, I would think $14 wasn't too bad an investment in a coin I knew nothing about. Gees though. I was thinking it was a rose, not a lily. Seriously, is there a site I can go to to find information about these coins?
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 Posted 04/22/2012  8:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
14 is a good price I think.

Try this JW, open the first set of 'examples' then 'more about these coins'

http://judaea.chimehost.net/main/has.html
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 Posted 04/22/2012  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just $14? I think you did well...there is a premium on "Holy land" coins, and I think this was struck in Jerusalem.
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Yup, just $14.19 plus $3 shipping, for a total of $17.19 invested. From what I can tell from the limited resources I have found, this coin was struck at Jerusalem between 132-130 BC. I guess it is a milestone for me since it is my first and only Judean coin struck in the Holy Land (I may a Roman provincial coin or two from Judea). Thanks for all the help on this.
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You picked a very interesting first 'Biblical' JW. Great score! Your depiction of the rose instead of the lily is not that far off. The lily, or shoshan in Hebrew, was considered a standout among flowers. Its fragile beauty, combined with the fact that it bloomed rapidly - thus linking it to fertility - enhanced its position. The 'lily' on the Jewish coins resembles the Rhodos flower - the rose.
The generic term shoshan which might have included such flowers as the lotus and even the rose. Rabbinnic sources refer to a 'lily-rose,' which is a symbol of Israel, as well as a 'soft lily' and the 'lily of the valley.'
What's interesting about your coin is this 'lily' is the first appearance of the lily on Jewish coinage. This coin was a transitional issue from Seleucid domination to Jewish control. The anchor was a Seleucid symbol officially introduced in Judaea on the early coin of Hyrcanus I/ Antiochus VII. The anchor referred to a symbol said to have appeared on the ring of Seleucus I and may have referred to naval strength.
The anchor seems to be upside down, until you realize that is how they stored them ... ready for deployment.
Your coin, JW is in very good condition for its age. The worth is between 35 and 150 bucks according to Hendin. So 17 bucks and some change....ain't bad my friend!
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Thanks Chris. I knew you would have some good information for me about this coin. This is just the kind of information I need. I take it that the info came from your Hendin source? Thanks again.
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 Posted 04/22/2012  11:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oxos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh yeah. He is a wealth of information when it comes to Judean coinage. Some good stuff on Roman's in that era as well. That has been one of my best investments for Biblicals. Nite now!
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 Posted 04/25/2012  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
JW. That is an amazing coin!
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Thanks TJ. It's my first coin from Judea and as you can tell from this thread, I wasn't looking for a coin from Judea, but I'll take it.
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 Posted 04/25/2012  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I wasn't looking for a coin from Judea
I'm guessing you were hoping for a Rhodes coin? That would have also been a great deal for $17.
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I'm guessing you were hoping for a Rhodes coin?


I guess that is what I had in mind, thinking the Lily to be a Rose. For those of you not familiar, U.S. Intelligence is sometimes represented by a Rose, sometimes by a dagger, and sometimes by both. Although the intelligence rose is much different, I think that is more of what I had in mind even though I know Rhodes coins sometimes used a rose on their coins.
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