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#23 Athens AR obol mid-5th century BC Tonight we will stay with the owl theme started yesterday but this coin is one of those owls from Athens. Beginners always want one of those big and beautiful tetradrachms with Athena and her pet owl. This is not one of those common things but a much less often seen fraction, the obol. The obol is 1/6th of a drachm so this coin is 1/24 of a tetradrachm and weighs in at about 0.7g. In truth, obols are not all that unusual and you can get a late 5th century obol for less than the big tetradrachms. This one, however is a bit earlier and was issued with the earlier tetradrachms distinguished by showing three separate tail feathers on the tail of the owl. Tetradrachms with three feathers are scarce and expensive. I have not seen enough obols that show the triple to say how rare they are. This one came to me in 1990 from the Numismatic Fine Arts Fall Mail Bid Sale (lot 678) and was provenanced as 'ex Tucker collection' so someone in the past considered it worth keeping in spite of the beat up condition. It shows traces of the dots that once provided feather detail and many other suggestions that it was a real looker when it dropped from the dies way back then. The NFA plate was not high enough quality to show the tail feathers but I bid in the belief that the oval flan and overall style looked early. I consider the purchase a winner. Since this coin joined my collection I have seen many nicer high grade obols and a couple with tail feathers. I've even seen a few earlier Archaic style obols but this one remains special to me because I saw something in a tiny little photo that I found interesting and it became mine. I expect each of you would trade it for a tetradrachm - I wouldn't. 
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Excellent detail on a small coin that's 2500 years old.
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Wow dougsmit, that's certainly some pretty awesome detail, especially for a wee lil' coin => congats, that's a very nice owl! Ummmmm, but I don't like to "compare" my coins against each other, for I think it makes them feel self-conscious, so I merely tell them all that: => "you're all the same in God's eyes, ya little ancient freaks!!"  anyway ... so instead of trying to decide if I'd rather have your wee lil' owl, or if I'd rather have my big weird Tet, I've decided that I'd really rather try to collect "both"!!  => again => that's a super-cool lil' owl!! ... excellent coins so far!! 
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That's a beautiful coin--it has great details, and it's a coin that probably saw widespread use too. I keep looking for one of the Athens fractional silver with the owl.  Quote: Tetradrachms with three feathers are scarce and expensive. On that subject, I had meant to ask about my Athens owl tetradrachm--would this be one feather or three?  
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Ummm DVC, I'm obviously no expert, but I'm pretty sure that your owl is taking a dump ...
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Jeez...Steve!  I just studied a few coins, and this is likely the "one feather" type. Here is an earlier owl tet with three, clearly defined feathers: 
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Hahaha ... I was obviously merely pulling your leg, DVC ... Hmmm, well it's certainly a bit more difficult to count the number of feathers on my imitative coin of "Levantine" origin, eh? ... man, but I still think that my crude, squat, little coin has huge coin-appeal!! => you go little freaky imitative coin, you go!! 
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This is a closer view of the 3 feather obol. Such small detail on an obol is hard to photograph. Imaging how hard it was to cut the die. 
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Bedrock of the Community
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Doug--that's a great photo, I see the three feathers now. Steve, your owl tetradrachm is interesting in its own right--I like that one! 
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dougsmit => 0.7 grams ... ummm, what are the max/min diameters on that wee little owl coin?
=> oh, and I agree that the craftsmen that made these coin-dies were incredible (man, they must have had very small hands and/or a very steady touch!!)
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Nice owls. I never heard about the 3 tail feathers until now.
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Quote: dougsmit => 0.7 grams ... ummm, what are the max/min diameters on that wee little owl coin?
=> oh, and I agree that the craftsmen that made these coin-dies were incredible (man, they must have had very small hands and/or a very steady touch!!) 7x10mm for the owl which is large. If you visit my pages on Tiny Treasures you can see them down to 5mm. http://www.forumancientcoins.com/do...th/tiny.htmlThat page includes one more coin from the 25 and a couple that would have made the 50 had I decided to go that high. My 50 or 100 favorites would bore you all with way too many coins of Septimius Severus so 25 may be the better choice here.
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Wow dougsmit, thanks for the response ... you continue to impress!!
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#22 John VIII Byzantine 1423-1448 AD AR stavraton or 1/2 hyperpyron Of the coins I'll be showing this is by far the latest date. It can only be considered 'ancient' if you allow all Byzantine coins that designation and is fully a millennium newer that the first coins I have seen called medieval in another context. No matter, this is the coin you get today. John VIII was the next to last Byzantine Emperor followed only by Constantine XI who was on duty when the Islamic conquest of Constantinople ended the Byzantine Empire in 1553. The coin is 6.7g of decent silver with typical late Byzantine art which might be considered a bit crude. Coins of John and Constantine look very much alike but Constantine's are more crude and much, much more rare. John VIII silver is not common but, like this one, tend to be missing a lot of the extensive legends around the bust of the Emperor in two concentric circles. What elevated this coin to my ranked list is the absolute luck that the strongest three letters in the legend remaining were IWN spelling 'John' at 1 o'clock. Of course I'd rather they read KWN which would make the coin a $10,000 Constantine XI but either is better than a coin attributable only by style to the cheaper ruler. The seller had another lacking IWN for $15 less so you can say I was willing to pay $5 a letter for the upgrade.  Usually we assign the portrait of Christ to the obverse of the coin but this specimen makes it clear that the anvil die was the one with John while Christ was on the reverse (punch) side shown by the way the metal curled around the edge of the off centered strike of the punch. This coin has been with me since 1999 and will remain my newest 'ancient' for the foreseeable future. I am barely interested in Byzantine coins but always like this big silver for a reason hard to explain.
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I find the design of Byzantines interesting--and how portraits changed from profile to forward-facing in the 5th C. and basically remained unchanged until the Renaissance--over 1000 years. It's a rather crude coin, but interesting. It reminds me of Anglo-Saxon and Viking-era coins from 800 AD.
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