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Identification Of An Ottoman Coins

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 Posted 06/10/2012  8:06 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Macedonia to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
First of all, I'm not even certain if these are coins or some kind of jewelry.
I did my best to find them in some catalogs, but all I found were several similar.

As you can see, these 2 are slightly damaged and melted(?). Also, I can not tell if they are (partially) gold or not (I can see scratches), but here's what is noticeable:

*They are different
*15mm in diameter, 0,5mm in thickness.
*The drawing/words on the upper part of the front side of the first coin is similar to the drawing/words on many other Ottoman coins I have, but unlike the standard drawing, IMO, this one looks... faulty, amateurishly made.
*There's a printed year on both of the front sides of the coins.
The first coin only reveals the first two numbers - 12XX, since the other ones are melted.
On the second coin there are 3 numbers visible, actually 4, since the first one is probably "1" - 129X, the 4th number doesn't look like any other Arabic number, so I guess one more thing which is faulty here and a proof that the "coins" are not coins at all.
*In the lower part on the back side of the second coin there are two numbers "^^" i.e. 88. As much as I could see, on other Ottoman coins those numbers on that specific spot represent the nominal value of the coin i.e. how many "para" is the coin. Not only the numbers are printed in smaller size than usual, but the number itself (88) is a bit odd to me.

I hope the info was enough, the photos are below, so any help is appreciated :)
If you could identify them, don't hesitate to estimate their present value ;).
Thank you in advance.

COIN 1 FRONT
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COIN 1 REAR
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COIN 2 FRONT
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COIN 2 REAR
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06/10/2012 9:25 pm
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 Posted 06/11/2012  04:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add alganbagerap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These look to be made for jewellery purposes and as such would not depict any actual coin, ruler or year. The toughra in particular seems to be just a rough representation, and are those solder marks?
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 Posted 06/11/2012  07:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Macedonia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your reply.
Soldered indeed, they must've been attached to something and later separated. In the Balkan countries, during the Ottoman occupation, it was a practice to made jewelry out of (ottoman) coins usually by drilling a hole in the coin itself and attaching it onto something, like clothes. I have a dozen Ottoman coins with/out a hole in it and all are valid, so I thought these 2 should be valid coins too.
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 Posted 06/11/2012  07:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add alganbagerap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your point is taken , but also it was customary to make imitation coins such as the well known "belly dancer" pieces.
Not all of those are in base metal and I suspect that these had a purely ornamental purpose.
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Now that you mentioned "belly dancer", I found very similar to these 2, with the stars in circle, poorly made symbols etc...
Thank you alganbagerap, "problem" solved :).

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