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"Coins" Magazine... What Are They Thinking?

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I was at the library yesterday, and saw their
magazine display, where the "Coins" magazine
caught my eye. I haven't read a coin related
magazine in about a year, so I picked up the
July 2012 issue and sat with it for a while.

Anyway, point of the post is that I was looking
through their coin price guide and noticed that
they had values listed for satin coins
beginning in 2005... Nothing surprising there,
however the fact that they have separate values
thought out and listed for all the clad coins
minted in 'satin finish' all the way through
2012 was an eye opener!

Seems to me that the prices for satin finish
2011s and 2012s would be MUCH, MUCH higher than
what they listed!
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Not a "price guide" that I would put too much stock into.....might be better than, say, RedBook, but still not accurate.

As far as Satin pricing.....I wouldn't think they'd be all that high in the real market world.....still too new.

I guess, as usual, ebay would be a very good "test" to see what stuff is going for right now....... or a call to a coin shop to see what prices they're selling for/or buying for.
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I agree with Eagle. ebay is probably the best way to find out about what their real value actually is and if its trending up or down
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Seems like a few have missed the OP's point. Read a little closer, fellow numismatists.
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I got it.


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Seems to me that the prices for satin finish 2011s and 2012s would be MUCH, MUCH higher than what they listed!
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an ultra rarity! ;)
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A lot of folks here on CCF might not be "in the know" when it comes to ultra moderns. I got it, but as I was reading the op's post I was thinking, a bunch of people are not gonna get this.
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Maybe that is the point... to see who knows, who does not know, and start a conversation.
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Yeah, my post was definately 'tongue in cheek'!
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I guess now I have to look at other 'price guides' and see
what they have for 2011 and 2012 satin finish values...

That would sure tell which guides are worth a darn.
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The mint has not stopped striking special uncirculated coins, they only made some changes to make them less expensive to produce. They have not returned to the pre-2005 practice of putting circulation strikes in uncirculated sets. For this reason, even though the nomenclature is misleading, calling the coins "satin finish" just distinguishes them from circulation strikes and is acceptable to me. They are still a special coin, struck only for inclusion in special sets.
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Seems like a few have missed the OP's point. Read a little closer, fellow numismatists.


I had a feeling there were some coins that dont exist but in all honesty dont follow the satins at all so didnt know for sure
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The mint has not stopped striking special uncirculated coins, they only made some changes to make them less expensive to produce. They have not returned to the pre-2005 practice of putting circulation strikes in uncirculated sets. For this reason, even though the nomenclature is misleading, calling the coins "satin finish" just distinguishes them from circulation strikes and is acceptable to me. They are still a special coin, struck only for inclusion in special sets.


Um.... Nope.
They may have stripped the term "business strikes" from them, but they are nothing special, at all.

The "Changes" they made to save money was to discontinue the satin finish. That is all that distinguished them from the business strikes... Therefore without satin finish, they are business strikes.
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According to the mint:

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United States Mint uncirculated coins are struck on special presses using greater force than circulating coins, producing a sharp, intricately detailed image.

And they sell "circulating quality" products for certain coins, like the ATB Quarters. So "uncirculated" set coins are different than business strikes. Whether the numismatic community wants to make a special distinction isn't yet clear.

There was a time when it was normal to have a proof as the Philadelphia representative in a set instead of a business strike (Louis Eliasberg's "complete" collection was this way in some cases).
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Some of the crap that I have gotten from the mint, I see no need to make a special distinction.
They are often lesser quality than some uncs that I get in change from fresh rolls. Certainly
not 'satin', as they were discontinued in 2010. Apparently Coins Magazine didn't read the press release.
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when you are done laghing at Coins Magazine for listing prices for coins that don't exist go get you 2000 redbooks and have another laugh about the silver Sac dollars.
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