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 Posted 06/16/2012  9:19 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Here are two coins I recently received. I like the way they have matching helmets and the details on the globes.

The 1st I believe is Constantine I, RIC VII Trier 368.

The 2nd I think is Constantine II. The seller had it as Constantine II, Bust Left, RIC VII 211. I didn't notice until I was trying to confirm but in Helveticas list that looks to be Crispus.

Any help would be appreciated.

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 Posted 06/16/2012  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I especially like how the patina shows off the details on the first coin!
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I believe the seller had it right. I think it is Constantine II RIC VII 237 London variant because of the reverse break. Both are very nice coins for sure, but I prefer the London style.
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 Posted 06/16/2012  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The CII looks to me to be RIC 286 page 115 volume VII. Significant is the shortened spelling of the reverse legend. It seems we have seen several nice examples of the London coins of this period lately. A big find?
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 Posted 06/16/2012  9:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Two very nice coins, I perfer the London mint one.
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Thanks, RIC VII 286 is it. I see it now. I was concentrating on the CONSANTI part of the legend and didn't realize there are a number of possible legend breaks.

I like both coins but it seems the London coin is the most popular here.

Thanks again
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Wow Doucet => those are gorgeous!!

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Quote:
It seems we have seen several nice examples of the London coins of this period lately. A big find?

The Constantine II example here is from the J.S. Vogelaar collection. Perhaps some others were as well?

More info here http://216.15.211.91/forums/showthread.php?t=2846
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I don't have any Londinium coins yet. That's next on my list.

I do have a somewhat odd die variation of Constantine II. I'm planning on purchasing a usual die version later on.

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 Posted 06/17/2012  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eng5858 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Doucet,

Very nice, love the helmets, they look like what Roman helmets would look like in literature. I went looking for some of these, haven't found any yet.......
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 Posted 06/17/2012  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jessvc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coins. I don't have this type in as good condition as your two coins.
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 Posted 06/17/2012  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are actually quite a few emperors that have similar helmets. You can also get a Constantinopolis commemorative that has a similar helmet.

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I find it interesting that my coin is the left facing version from London and RIC 287 (directly under Doucet's right facer) but look how different the helmets are. More, the Trier example is closer to Doucet's than the two Londons are to each other. I wonder if we gathered 100 of these two London RIC numbers how many would have similar helmets and how many would be yet different?
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It is interesting, the differences in the helmets, and yet look how closely the engraving matches on the altars and some of the lettering on the reverse.

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We will never know how many cutters worked in one mint or, with certainty, even how many worked on one die. When you see things like this you have to think they were trained by the same master if they were not done by the same hand. I seriously doubt any cutter in this period did both obverses and reverses and suspect there were lettering specialists as well as portrait cutters so there could have been a team involved on every die. It is also possible that one cutter did everything on one die but I suspect this is more likely at a mint with smaller output than all of the Constantinian mints seemed to produce.
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