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can someone help me with this full step nickel thing?
1st any illustrations would be wonderful
2nd are there years and mints more common for this?
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Full Steps (FS) is when the steps on the Monticello of the Jefferson nickel have little or no wear and can all be counted. These tend to come with better strikes and most 1964 nickels DONT have them.
For a example, look at a relativley new nickel and you will see that the steps are clearly visible
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ok, so there is really no "value" to a coin unless it already has a premium, then the steps make a difference? isn't it too bad the 1964 nickel couldnt be silver like the others? LOL
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any illustrations would be wonderful

For clear illustrations of a full step Jefferson nickel Google full step nickel and you will find several web sites which will show what it takes to have full steps.


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are there years and mints more common for this?

Yes, as with any series of coins there are years where the quality of the dies are better than others. Also, there is a difference as to which mint struck the coins.


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Full Steps (FS) is when the steps on the Monticello of the Jefferson nickel have little or no wear

It is not the wear on the nickel itself that solely determines full steps. If the detail is not on the die to begin with it won't be on the coin and wear either on the die from use or on the nickel from circulation would not be a factor.

Full steps on Monticello is achieved when the steps on the die itself are well defined and the striking pressure is high enough to fully define the details on the planchet when struck. Some years the dies were not as well prepared so finding any full step pieces for those years can be quite difficult.

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About 1.5 billion 1964 nickels made. They're worth about 50c in MS 65, but with FS I saw in a price guide a value 100x that. BTW, FS also means no nicks on the steps.
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As a point of reference, from what I'm told ANACS (someone could have fed me a story) on some of their slabs makes a difference between what full steps means. Under the ANACS scheme they supposedly make a difference between 5 and 6 steps. I'm under the impressions that only they make that difference others just say full steps.

So is there 5 or 6 steps on the front of Montecello?
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very informative... Thank You!!
QUOTE:
"So is there 5 or 6 steps on the front of Montecello?"
MONTICELLO
I counted 6 if you count the top one, the steps on the side the same... I cant wait to hear the answer!
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I can count 6 on this one


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Sometimes I mispell Monticello so that it looks like the liguor chillo.
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There are in fact 6 steps and I think NGC will also specify for 5FS or 6FS now as well.
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Trout, was the nickel pictured minted on or after 1990? I believe that the number of steps was changed from 5 to 6 and continued after that. Also, the steps are much clearer on all nickels on or after 2006 when they strengthened the dies for the 'Return to Monticello'.

I remember when I was looking for uncirculated nickels to finish my book a few years ago, that 1953S and 1954S (last 2 San Francisco dates) mostly had no steps to identify. Very poor strikes.
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The pic is of my 1986s proof
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I don't know about proofs. I would expect 5 steps for 1986.
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Here is a great description on it and there are 6 steps:
http://varietynickels.com/pages/jef...ll-steps.php
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