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My First Two Ancient Coins

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 Posted 07/12/2012  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coindog.
to the ancients forum!

Your Trajan is really nice!

I agree with sap, sel, dv, and the others about the athena /owl. It looks questionable. That die break is pretty wild.
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 Posted 07/12/2012  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nothus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome, those are some nice looking coins. Hope the Greek one ends up being authentic.
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 Posted 07/12/2012  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coindog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Judging by how Steves was 15.2 grams mine is way off it weighs in at 4.04 grams.
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 Posted 07/12/2012  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MartiVltori to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are several known fakes of that particular Trajan issue. I don't see any die matches but a couple things would make me question it. I would post it to FORVM authentication board for more expert opinions.
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 Posted 07/12/2012  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coindog => my coin is a Tet ...

=> if your coin only weighs 4.? grams then it must be a Drachm, not a Teradrachm ...

=> there is still a chance



http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/gree...thens/t.html

here is a link to explore => there may be others as well?


... we're definitely all rootin' for ya, dawg!!

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07/12/2012 7:50 pm
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 Posted 07/12/2012  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Coindog

Here is a coin at acsearch the looks kinda similar to yours. It has no cresent and weighs 4.26. http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=99377.

I saw a few others with a similar weight here:

http://www.acsearch.info/search.htm...&c=&a=&l=#37

I'm not saying whether yours is authentic or not, I couldn't say, but there are some lighter coins of this type.

I haven't seen a die match to your coin at either Forvm or Forgery. Network fake sites.

Regards
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 Posted 07/12/2012  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coindog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, not knowing much more that I can do. Would this be a candidate for David Sear? What else can I do to determine if it is a fake or not? Thanks for all the replies. jwharper you and I are both cheap then I argued over the price off and on for an hour.
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 Posted 07/12/2012  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you have the coin in hand you can examine the edge to see if there are any signs of a seam. Also if there are any cast bubbles on the surfaces.

Good photos of both sides would help those on the forums make a determination.
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07/12/2012 8:33 pm
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 Posted 07/12/2012  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree ...



a) => take a poop-load of photos so that the pros on this site can get a better "feel" for your specimen/coin ...

b) is it too personal/sensitive to ask what you paid for the suspect owl?

c) because if I remeber correctly, David Sear's blessing ranged anywhere from $40 to $75, depending upon whether you want a yes-no answer, compared to a thorough coin description/background ... plus, whether you wanted it to wait in a queue or whether you wanted to know ASAP!! (and yes, of course I paid $75 ... I had to know!))

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 Posted 07/12/2012  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm glad to know there is a fellow collector who is frugal Coindog.

I would also like to ask where you purchased the coins. This can make a big difference as well. If you bought from a well known and distinguished dealer or from ebay (not all coins sold on ebay are fakes - I know some very well respected dealers who also sell on ebay). If the seller is one of these respected dealers, there will be a guarantee of authenticity.

One last point. Before you decide to spend the money to have your coins authenticated by David Sear or any other service, I agree with MartiVltori. Post your coins and questions on forumcoins.com. There are a collection of experts who frequent that web site such as Andrew McCabe and Curtis Clay to name a couple. They can be brutal, but they will be honest.
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 Posted 07/12/2012  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
it weighs in at 4.04 grams.
Yeah...that could explain a lot of things, such as the flan shape/size, the design details, and the crack! I honestly haven't seen many owl drachms, so this is one for the real experts. I hope it turns out to be legit--those aren't as common as tetradrachms, I think.
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 Posted 07/13/2012  01:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coindog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Doucet looking over the coin there doesn't seem to be a seam or any cast bubbles. I'll try and get some better photos in the morning.Then on to forumcoins.com and here of course.

Jwharper I bought it at a coin store that does NOT have any specialization. These were the only two ancient coins he had.I can handle brutal over the computer no one can see me cry.

Steve6 I paid 26 for it and 40 for the other after a long debate. I would probably splurge for the details if it came out genuine. If not I wouldnt want the info. I read it could take two months, that might kill me. Poop load of pictures coming right up.
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 Posted 07/13/2012  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"I paid 26 for (the owl drachm)"
You know...if it turns out to be real, that's one of the best deals I've heard of for a Greek coin. Just to get things moving along, I'll scan the fake databases for a match; it won't be hard to spot a copy with that crack.
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 Posted 07/13/2012  7:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dude => in my books => if you really did only pay $26, then quit your cryin' and put the puppy into your "suspect owl drachm" category .... brutal

=> at least with my scandal, we were at $400 or $500 bucks ... man, I'll buy that fake thang of of you for $26 ... problem solved

=> I'll put it in my ever increasing collection of "what the fah am I doin' collection ancient cooins!!?' collection

... go ahead, buy some more coins ...
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 Posted 07/13/2012  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coindog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah I figured 26 bucks was an ok deal just because I know NOTHING about ancient coins so I figured what the heck why not.
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