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Here's What The Fed May Do Instead Of More Qe (Article)

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/heres...0008383.html

While the main question surrounding the Federal Reserve is whether it will enact another round of quantitative easing, the central bank may have a different caliber of weapon at the ready.

A version of the European-style Funding for Lending Scheme has emerged in some quarters as a possibility that would allow the Fed to stimulate the economy in a stealtheir way than outright QE would provide.

The Bank of England already has undergone a similar program, and a close facsimile could happen in the U.S. should Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke decide that the economy needs more liquidity in terms of bank-provided credit.

The plan works in a fairly simple manner: In the UK's case, the BofE is lending short-term government bills to banks, which use the securities as collateral to borrow money from the central bank at a rock-bottom rate - about 0.25 percent - and then make loans.

Banks can borrow up to 5 percent of the value of their existing loan books, and the loans from the BofE are four years in duration.

The program is similar to something the Fed tried, with considerable success, during the financial crisis that exploded in 2008.

The Fed is meeting Tuesday and Wednesday and will deliver its policy statement at the conclusion.

"As well as offering clear incentives for UK commercial banks to boost their lending, one of the benefits of the scheme is that, as it only involves a temporary swap of securities, it won't boost the overall size of the Bank of England's balance sheet," Paul Ashworth, chief U.S. economist at Capital Economics, said in a note to clients.

The Fed's program was called the Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility and allowed primary dealers to borrow Treasury bills from the Fed in exchange for depositing collateral.

Instituting a similar program would be somewhat challenging for the Fed.

For one, the Fed will be out of short-term debt when it wraps up its Operation Twist program by the end of the year. The Twist involves selling short-term debt and buying longer-term notes in an effort to drive down interest rates and spur risk assets.

Also, there are some legal questions over what type of collateral the Fed can accept if it cannot lend T-bills.

Finally, there's the reality that bank lending actually is increasing at a 5 percent pace in the U.S., so critics might say the program isn't really necessary.

The Fed also mayl want to avoid one provision of the British program in which it grants the low rates to banks on 5 percent of their entire loan books, not just new loans.

The latter obstacle was emphasized by Alan S. Blinder, professor of economics and public affairs at Princeton University and former Fed vice chairman, in a Wall Street Journal op-ed piece Wednesday.

Blinder thinks the Funding-for-Lending Scheme is at least worth investigating, reasoning "it just might work, and the U.S. economy certainly could use a boost."

Ashworth, at Capital Economics, points out that if the Fed adopted the plan and extended the rate to 5 percent of current loans it would expand the central bank's balance sheet another $300 billion, something unlikely to be popular among Washington lawmakers.

"Nevertheless, it would make sense at a time when the demand for credit appears to be rising and banks are still tightening lending standards for some types of loans," he said. "As it stands, an FLS is obviously only in the early planning stages. But it will be interesting to see whether the idea develops more support at the Fed."
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07/31/2012 5:58 pm
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Yes, but what effect would all this have on the price of PMs?

Your link doesn't work, btw.
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When will the Fed begin to understand that there is no lack liquidity? They have flooded the world market with VAST amounts of US dollars. There is plenty of money out there for legitimate business ventures. What there is not enough money for and there never will be is the derivatives casino that has developed under the noses of various so-called regulators.

They say that derivatives are a form of insurance. I can see how that would be the case for some people, particularly farmers, ranchers, and miners who would want to know in advance what their income will be over the course of the next year or so. Insurance does have its place in the world but what we are seeing now is not insurance so much as it is betting on the come. Real insurance is something that most people spend 3-5% of their income on at most. It is not something that you set up such that if all goes well you make a vast fortune and if things do not go well, you lose all of your assets. That is not insurance. It is gambling, pure and simple.

Personally, I wish that the Fed and the government would stop manipulating the market and let it be a FREE market. Yes, minimal regulation is needed to provide a level playing field for all but more regulation than that is not beneficial for the market, the economy, or job creation.

Unfortunately, those who live their lives on paper and consider theory to be superior to reality continue to run the Fed and the government. Until they are swapped out for some people who do know about meeting a payroll through productivity, creating jobs, and living within ones means, we will continue to see the same old tired attempts at centralized planning and market control via government and Fed interference in something that they truly do not understand. The devil of it is, they think that they do! Of course, if that were true, then their manipulations would be working and the economy would be improving. Wouldn't it?


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Interest rates are already so low how will lowering them more increase risk asset spending?
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Yes, but what effect would all this have on the price of PMs?

Your link doesn't work, btw.


I assume any form of QE, pseudo or otherwise, will only work to drive up PM prices, at least in the short term. Silver seems to have a lot of resistance below $27, regardless. And thanks for letting me know about the link. Should be working now.
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It all boils down to the government getting out of the way of business. Taxes and regulations are holding businesses back. No jobs, no recovery, just more stagflation. Once business gets back to hiring, all that money that is being sit on by business and banks will really light the inflation flame.
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Ed is absolutely correct. There is no shortage of dollars for legitimate business ventures.

The government keeps betting on more and more unsustainable consumer spending as the only vehicle to help the economy recover. This disastrous policy will end in failure. Washington no longer believes in, let alone understands, that a thriving business environment is the only engine of real economic growth. Our leaders are drinking some powerful kool-aid that is taking us down a dangerous road, farther and farther away from both recovery and who we are as a free nation. Keep stacking, people!
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Congrats on 1000 goldeagle
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with both IGE and CW. This is where the wheels come off of the Keynesian economic model. It is not mere spending that builds a thriving economy. What does build a thriving economy is when money is allocated correctly and is channeled into areas that actually benefit the economy. Infrastructure building and repair can fall into this category but it doesn't have to. It will be of benefit but only if such building increases our ability to do more business. Modernizing our ports is a good example that works well when we are losing business to other nations because our ports are not up to modern shipping standards and are not efficient. If this is not then case, then spending money on the ports is not a useful place to spend money. When money becomes as cheap as it is today, there is a terrific temptation among speculators to use it in haphazard ways that do not allocate such money properly.

There is also terrible damage done to those who save since they cannot earn a decent return on their savings while taxes and inflation reduce their meager earnings and holdings even further. The value of saving is greatly under appreciated by the academics now in charge of the economy and that is most unfortunate as a strong and vibrant economy must be built upon a solid foundation of savings and productivity.
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the way the economy is at the moment, saving is like losing money.
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I think Ed hit it .

The government might do well to make some changes to tax policy to encouage investment. is everyone sitting on their hands or taking low bond returns instead of investing in a turbulent market?

I don't claim to know a thing about the situation but I don't think QE3 is gonna change anything. We need a catalyst to allow regained confidence in the market and IMHO we need to keep more production and employment within our country when possible.
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Well after much computing I have come to this conclusion....

Keep in mind I got stung like 8 times by yellow jackets mowing recently. This lead to the great yellow jacket fires of late summer 2012 and it just so happened to occur on the day I was doing some top secret cross genetic tests at a local science lab, not long after seeing the new spider man movie which has lead to a some real insight and minor genetic mutations needless to say....

I may have to change my name to "The Stinger" bzzzzz as I find myself with crazy urges to go out and rid Lenoir city of all the late night crime which covers the dark back alley ways and such....

No worries about keepin my identity hidden folks as I wear glasses;-)....

Anyhow, my new found insight has led me to this new theory.....

The feds are a bunch of tools who are gonna keep digging that hole deeper and deeper until the entire Bee hive comes crashing down, pardon the pun....

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I don't understand why the fed keeps juicing the banks, the only winners I see are the banks and large investors, with more inflation at the consumer level.

On the other hand, it may just be that deflation is more of a worry than we think. Time to head on over to TAE for some reads.
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For the near term, it's all about November. Any monetary policy decisions made (or not made) for the next few months will all be cosmetics for the upcoming election season.
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Just remember, guys, that the words "inflation" and "deflation" are strictly monetary terms for "too much money in the economy" and "too little money in the economy". Since it is the Fed that determines this, we know who to blame when one of the other of these "flations" occurs.

Actually, if one has money, deflation is far more benevolent than inflation, as the money that you do have will buy more goods and services than it could prior to the deflation.

If you have goods to sell, though, deflation can be tough as they drop in value with time and you may not recover what you paid for them.

Most of us have lived with inflation for a while, so it is the devil we know. Deflation did occur in the US in the 1930s and at that time money was hard to come by. There simply was not enough money in the economy for the efficient transfer of goods and services. If you had money, though, you could get terrific bargains on most anything you needed.
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I agree, Ed. Most economists are far more fearful of the affects of deflation on the economy than inflation. I can totally understand that. In a deflationary cycle, massive job loss would likely arise due to the point you made about vendors suddenly discovering that their inventories are losing value faster than the owner can pay off the bank note. The only way a business can stay afloat would be to brutally cut overhead. Since employees are akin to the low hanging fruit in most instances, they are the first to go. Even the people with money tend to hold off on purchases when they think those same items will be slashed in price the following week or month. Its a vicious circle that's nearly impossible to break out of... WWII was the true event that helped the US, and the world, escape the last deflationary cycle. But millions had to die first.

For those of you following this thread a number of posts were removed because they were getting way too political.This is a coin forum we are here to discuss coins there is a general discussion area for all off topic discussions
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