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steelheadwill Valued Member United States 57 Posts	Posted 08/14/2012 3:11 pm Hi Everyone, I recovered this coin just below surface between a pair of rocks during an extra low tide hunt. I believe it is an undated 400 Reis issue of Johannes IV 1640-1654. I don't have a world coin book, and have not been able to find a match online. Dots visible between cross arms, where date is placed on other issues. denom on right of crowned shield, 4 dots to left of shield. any info on rarity of this coin would also be appreciated. I imagine it's fairly scarce when you can't find a match on the web Thanks for looking! HH, Herbie. Report this Post to the Staff

960Coins New Member United States 17 Posts	Posted 08/16/2012 3:07 pm Great find! From what I can see in the photos, I'd say you're right: it looks like a Joao IV 400 reis (or one cruzado), 1640-1656 minted in Lisbon. KM-52. Most of these were countermarked to raise the value to 480 or 500 reis by the following kings. Report this Post to the Staff
Jsalgado Valued Member Portugal 179 Posts	Posted 08/16/2012 5:25 pm Probably you can read some letters of the inscription IOANNES IIII D G REX PORTVGALIE IN HOC SIGNO VINCES size 40mm 23 g Report this Post to the Staff
Jsalgado Valued Member Portugal 179 Posts	Posted 08/16/2012 5:31 pm Well, if the size is about 32 mm must be 200 Réis. The picture it is not clear but the 4 could be 2! Report this Post to the Staff
steelheadwill Valued Member United States 57 Posts	Posted 08/17/2012 03:05 am Thanks 960Coins and JSalgado, This coin currently measures 38mm, and just under 22G. I do need to polish my camera skills, The 400 and dots (actually small circles) are visible in hand. I've seen later dated examples with a countermark that looks like SOO, (500) to left of shield, Nice to find one that left Portugal before being revalued. The Early Silvers I recover with my hunting methods are often short on condition, but I don't hear about many recoveries of this time period from Land Sites. Makes it worth getting dirty!! Again, Thanks and good Day, Herbie. Report this Post to the Staff
960Coins New Member United States 17 Posts	Posted 08/17/2012 5:27 pm Definitely a great find. They're scarce to begin with and even more so without the countermark. Can't really find an example in any of the big auction house archives. Report this Post to the Staff
steelheadwill Valued Member United States 57 Posts	Posted 08/18/2012 03:28 am Thanks 960Coins, I had the same issues, several with the date in cross arms found, none like this. Best wishes!! herbie Report this Post to the Staff
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