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Athens New Style Tetradrachm Value

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 Posted 08/31/2012  3:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I was able to work a deal with the seller and the coin is now on it's way to my door. The seller has identified it as Thompson 477a; however, I do not own a copy of Thompson and I would sorely love to have the ID information posted in Thompson. Either that or can anyone out there interpret the Greek on the reverse (and the symbolism if possible, i.e., the eagle to the left). All help is appreciated.

Once I have this baby in hand, I will see if it is as pictured or if I can take a better pic of it.
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That's awesome JW....
You have to tell us what you paid for it, the coin in this condition still would be pricey, but your the Man...

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Either that or can anyone out there interpret the Greek on the reverse (and the symbolism if possible, i.e., the eagle to the left). All help is appreciated.
I found an example fairly close on Wildwinds, except for a few details such as the letter on the amphora. These late-style tets have a lot more distinguishing marks--here's the info I found on one attributed as SNG 230:
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Athens, Attica, New Style tetradrachm. AR30, 16.60 g. 186-147 BC. Period 3, series 38. Helmeted head of Athena right / Owl standing right on amphora, magistrate names DIO-NOK, EPI-GENH, SWSAN-DROS to left and right; to left an eagle standing right on thunderbolt; delta on amphora, date SF below. cf SNG Cop 230 (date); BMC-.
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 Posted 08/31/2012  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks DVC. I saw that one on wildwinds, but it is different like you said. The magistrate name and the date is different. Can you read or anyone read this?
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I am not sure the about the interpretation of the inscription but I recognized the last 2 lines on right side of the coin SOSANDROS and it might have something to with this ? Read here....

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.23...101158665751
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Really? ... well Bing, apparently you have zero-problem pickin' my pockets and schmoozin' my girl, eh?

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... nice, I'll remember that ...
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Really? ... well Bing, apparently you have zero-problem pickin' my pockets and schmoozin' my girl, eh?




Anoob: the SOSANDROS led me to the Catalog of Greek Coins in the BM. Number 396 has the same inscription except the bottom letters which I think is the date. It still doesn't tell me what the Greek means, but I would assume you are correct about SOSANDROS.
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You know steve, you always seem to be chucking the fishing net of money into the sea of ancients and dregging up lovely things. Id love a picture of your whole collection so we can all appreciate the volume and the larger volume of money spent on them.
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=> hey, don't sweat it Bing ... everybody eats their own every now and then ...
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hey, don't sweat it Bing ... everybody eats their own every now and then ... I would have done the same (not!!)


. Jerry, I'm old so you'll have to splain to me whatchutalkinbout.
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Give it up ... I'll talk on e-mail
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*whateva* ... hey Bing, it's coin collecting ...

=> it's all fair


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Jerry, I just sent you an email. Whatever I did or you think I did wrong, I'm apologizing. But to be honest, I clueless.
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jwharper: Nobody has mentioned how much your coin weighs. That would be useful to know.

The Calgary Coin reference on forged coins is a valuable resource. everybody should read it.

Those pits could be corrosion pits or casting bubble pits, it is hard to guess the difference from the pictures. This coin has perhaps been acid cleaned and that would help to explain the blackness in the pits, however they were formed.

Have a look into the pits with a high power loupe. An indication is if the interior of the holes are smooth, bubbles may be the explanation, if the inside surfaces are rough, corrosion may be the cause, accentuated perhaps by silver crystallisation.

It may be even worthwhile picking around inside them with a blunted pin. I have NEVER suggested this before, but it pays to be as investigative as you can with any innovative investigative idea.

Keep all of the documentation relating to the sale of this coin, including a screen dump of this thread.

It is worthwhile building up a black collection of fake coins, PROVIDED THAT they are sold to you as fakes. By careful observation of these, much can be learnt. How do you know HOW to spot a fake, if you don't know what to look for?
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