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New Member
United States
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So I have 3 1871 Prussian Thalers (Victory over France commemorative), 1 1818 Prussian Thaler and an 1861 Prussian Thaler. All of them have "GOTT MIT UNS" inscribed on the side. The inscription is right side up if the coin is laid on its reverse face on all of the Thalers (no matter what year) except one of the 1871 Thalers. To read the inscription right side up you have to lay it on the obverse face. Any idea what the deal with this is?  |
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New Member
Germany
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I don't know if this helps, but the translation (German to English) is "God with us"
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New Member
Germany
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Sorry, that was a stupid answer. I see what you were asking now. Looking at German coin collecting websites, the 1871 was a "Victory Thaler" or "Sieges Thaler" and this may account for the difference in the way they struck the "Gott mit uns" There's not much in English, but you could look here: http://forums.collectors.com/messag...eadid=766992 |
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Pillar of the Community
Philippines
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Thanks AlexTR, I collect German crowns and times I see Gott mit uns on the side. never paid attention and didnt knew what it meant. Your translation was very interesting  Now that the translation is clear, Likely the artist wanted to convey Gott mit uns when the people side is up, because obverse are usualy the people places, while reverse are usualy country emblems, coat of arms, eagles etc its tougher to say Gott mit uns when an eagle is up front, but who knows what those coin artists think about  just my thoughts.. |
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New Member
 United States
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Hi guys:
Thanks for the responses. AlexTR: I actually have two other Victory commemoratives like the one I'm talking about but the edge lettering is "upside down" on just one of the three. I read into edge lettering variations (on modern US Presidential dollars-not perfectly analogous but... eh) and it said with those coins the edge lettering orientation is fairly random. It just strikes me as odd that four of my five Thalers have it oriented one way and the one has it the other.
If you guys could provide any insight in that regard, I'd appreciate it. Thanks again!
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Valued Member
Austria
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"gott mit uns" in latin: nobiscum deus, was the motto of the prussian kings and the german emperors since 1701.
in later times (first half of 20th century,) it was also the military motto and used on e.g. belt buckles. first the romans have used the latin version, later gustav adolf from sweden and his troops.(Thirty Years' War)
also the later nazi wehrmacht used the motto. the SS used "meine ehre heisst treue" (fidelity is my honor)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The direction of edge lettering does not make a difference in value on these coins, if that's what you are wondering.
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New Member
United States
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@Numismat: I wasn't wondering value so much as if it was an error. I figure it's 50/50 (as far as orientation of edge lettering) but it seemed weird since of the five Thalers I own all but one have lettering oriented in a one way.
Thanks!
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Valued Member
Austria
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additional to my first answer:
the direction of the motto doesn´t matter.
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Posted 09/18/2012 09:25 am
