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Portugal
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Good Afternoon
I got a 1$ united states gold coin, Type 1 (1849-1854), all specifications correspond to type 1 except data, that is 1858. The data don't correspond to this coin. All specs are correct ( weight, type of gold, diameter).
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Valued Member
Austria
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a picture would be nice...
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New Member
 Portugal
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Going to pass pictures to here, 10 mint
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New Member
Portugal
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what value can it achieve?
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Moderator
 United States
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 to the Community! I have locked and linked your other threads to this one so we can keep the conversation in one place.  I also moved this one to the proper forum. |
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United States
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Very doubtful that it would be authentic for being "minted" three years outside the Type I run...unless it is an 1853 with damage to the date making it appear as an 1858.  Edited by oih82w8
10/03/2012 4:21 pm
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New Member
Portugal
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how do I put pictures in here?
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New Member
Portugal
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United States
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Fascinating. A rather nicely-executed Type 1 Dollar, except for two small facts:
1) It's far too small by comparison to the Cent, at least based on the images provided, which are admittedly not conclusive since they're on an angle. But the difference - 14mm to 19mm - is plain, and similar in both horizontal and vertical dimensions on the image. Not sure where the initial size estimate came from.
2) The design was last used in 1854. This design, dated "1858," is simply not possible.
Aside those obvious hints, the date and lettering are wrong. The weakness of the reverse - disconnected berries, disconnected wreath, they're a problem. The denticles are definitely a problem.
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New Member
Portugal
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the diamenter (13 mm), weight (1,672), design is from type 1
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United States
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Conceded; I was working from T2 data. It's a curious piece. I_know this coin wasn't issued in 1858. That's fact. Measured data, and the appearance, certainly hints at it being gold. An altered 1853 - for whatever reason - is a possibility, but the numerals in the date are especially suspect. They just don't match the typeface used in the real coins.
I didn't come out and call it a "fake" in my post, and I'm not going to this time either. It's worth talking about.
Can you confirm how straight the denticles are in the real world? I can easily see them seeming distorted in the images due to the angle and optical effects.
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New Member
Portugal
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what you mean how straight? if they have look that havent been touched?
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United States
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I'm seeing distortion in your images which make them look as if they're not pointing towards the center of the coin, but at an angle. That should not be true.
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New Member
Portugal
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i went to a jewelery and they told that was american gold, I checked the weigth there and it matches with the type one, they measure it and it got 13 mm. I have this coin in my possession for maybe 3 or 4 years but I never noticed in this fact, beacause I just started to get interested in error coins few years ago. When I bought this coin the person who sold it didnt told me that fact, I discovered it on my own.
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New Member
Portugal
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can you send me a pictures of the font used on this coins?
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I admit, it is much more convincing than I expected it to be from the initial description. However, it is impossible for it to be an "error", as Dave pointed out. There is no way they can "accidentally" produce a coin like this. My gut says guess is a struck counterfeit, it looks too good to be cast or electrotype. I also think it is likely 90% gold, especially if the weight is right. There are many counterfeit $1 gold pieces out there, and most use real gold with the correct dimensions, since the goal is to fool collectors, not to fake bullion. Altered date is possible, but it looks awful clean for that imho.
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Posted 10/03/2012 4:02 pm
