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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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1) I agree and wait until tomorrow. give yourself the weekend to look at all your options and to look at the matrix. 2) Also, keep a close eye out for shipping charges from wherever you buy. Remember the cost of shipping is also tacked onto your cost per ounce which means you have more invested than you would get back in the short term. Also watch for extra charges. Some places charge for a particular payment type. 3) As for your 1st post.... If you had $2000 to spend, I would pick up 1/4oz or 1/2oz gold and the rest would go into silver. Keep reading post around here and you will see why so many feel there is more upside potential for silver in the long run. I would buy government minted silver coins. A bit more expensive but are VERY liquid and recognized worldwide. Engelhard and JM bars are the most recognized bars on the market. These are great bars to own and sometimes they can command a larger premium for some collectors and stacker's. I would also add a bit of junk silver to your stash. Great way to acquire small fractional silver at a reasonable price and to sell in little spurts. 4) REMEMBER....the gold and silver markets, especially silver, are very active, volatile markets. If you cant afford to lose the money then don't invest. Nothing is for sure. CHEERS! 
Edited by samsnate 10/04/2012 9:33 pm
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New Member
United States
37 Posts |
I don't get the love for APMEX... Goldmart.com is cheaper than APMEX and Provident almost across the board.... With respect to ASE's, Leafs, buffalo rounds, junk silver, 10 oz bars, and GOLD. Seems like the easy play to me, why pay more, when you can get it for less.....I don't get it. I fully understand they have bigger selection. However if you are going with ASE's, leafs, junk, or gold....easy call imo. You get more metals for your dollar.
Edited by hotshotschamp 10/04/2012 10:04 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
13014 Posts |
Quote: what mix of coins/bars would you suggest to be the best diversified precious metals investment for someone who has none?
Id stick with coins minted by the US, Canada, Aus for now. Pandas are good too but highly faked and a risky coin to start out with. Quote:Goldmart.com is cheaper than APMEX and Provident almost across the board.... Provident metals is cheaper than goldmart and APMEX. Lower shipping costs too
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New Member
 United States
10 Posts |
Thanks for all the helps, really, I'm learning a lot! I will not purchase until I'm 100% sure, and I'll wait to see unholyroller's release (sounds cool). Also, the ONLY reason that I found APMEX is via google searching. These other companies didn't come up in my initial 10+ searches and so I ran with APMEX pricing for now. But that's another reason why I looked for forums, they are wonderful for public opinion. Thanks for all the help, it really means a lot! :)
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Bedrock of the Community
13014 Posts |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
863 Posts |
If you are looking for STHF coins I would stick with junk. you get the most for your money. and one of the easiest things to determine value of.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1200 Posts |
For your situation ($2K limit), I agree with a lot of what was said above. Stick with silver. If you buy just one little oz of gold, you'll only have $150-$200 left to play w/, but $2K will get you a pile of silver. I prefer coins (ASEs, Canadian Maples, Mex Libertads, Austrian Phils) over rounds & I stick with those standards & avoid the exotics. The coins cost more to buy but resell at a better price. If you want to go as low-cost as possible, 10 oz bars are probably the idea. I've compared prices between APMEX, Provident and Goldmart for months and I've found Goldmart=cheapest, Provident=mid-level and APMEX=costliest. APMEX has a broader-based inventory of a lot more stuff than Goldmart but since I don't buy exotics, Goldmart works fine for me. All that being said and sticking with my main-line coins as I do, I must admit I still lust after those old-school poured Monarch bars. Some day...maybe if I find a 1983 BU copper penny...
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New Member
 United States
10 Posts |
Thanks basebal21. This investment isn't easy, it's the first time I'm buying money with money. The reason I'm not going to a local pawn shop or coin/gold store, is because I know nothing about this stuff, and it would make me the perfect victim to get ripped off. At least through a website, I can verify authenticity for new coins/etc. This is why I love forums, get feedback from the regular folk. When samsnate says "I would buy government minted silver coins" and basebal21 says "Id stick with coins minted by the US, Canada, Aus for now.", these are the $35-40 coins as my original APMEX links right?
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New Member
 United States
10 Posts |
Yup, thanks yet again! I was really excited about silver more than gold since I first started searching.
To make sure I fully understand this clearly, when people are talking about minted government coins, these are the same coins from US, Canada, Australia; that I'm finding new with 2012 series? (price ranges around $40)
Edited by fitBUUL 10/04/2012 11:21 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1903 Posts |
My matrix will show premiums over spot INCLUDING shipping....most of the online sellers have very close to the same quoted coin prices...is the shipping is where they stand apart. Look at my matrix from last week and it will become more clear. That and I have found that by and large 20 coins ( silver ) is the starting point where the shipping starts to have a minimal effect on final price.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4008 Posts |
Quote: This investment isn't easy, it's the first time I'm buying money with money. OK, FB, repeat after me... gold and silver are not investments... they are MONEY! What we are doing when we buy them is swapping bad money for good; fiat paper for precious metals. It is one of those no-brainer kinds of things.  Quote: The reason I'm not going to a local pawn shop or coin/gold store, is because I know nothing about this stuff, and it would make me the perfect victim to get ripped off. I agree that this is a possibility and that you are better off to be on your guard rather than just barging in and perhaps getting taken. On the other hand, a local coin or pawn shop can be a great asset for any collector. Developing a business relationship with a local dealer can be a very good thing. The best way to avoid getting ripped off is to be armed with the knowledge of prices for silver at spot as well as for various coins that you might want to collect. When you go to a local shop, look the prices over and see how they compare with the values you know from the Internet. If they seem a little higher, then it is a good deal. If they are a lot higher, you can pass on the deal and look elsewhere. Remember... someday you may want to sell some or all of your silver and having a local shop available to buy it works best if you already have a good business relationship with the owner or manager of that shop.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote:these are the $35-40 coins as my original APMEX links right? Yes they are. And the online approach is a really good option when you start out. The ability to price check and verify is huge as opposed to some guy telling you who knows what at a pawn shop. Quote: On the other hand, a local coin or pawn shop can be a great asset for any collector. Developing a business relationship with a local dealer can be a very good thing. Part of me agrees and part of me disagrees. If you have a good local dealer I agree that its a good thing. However not everywhere has one. Just being a dealer doesn't make someone necessarily honest or even knowledgeable and there are sadly a lot of bad dealers out there at least in my area anyway 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4008 Posts |
Quote: Just being a dealer doesn't make someone necessarily honest or even knowledgeable and there are sadly a lot of bad dealers out there at least in my area anyway I don't think that I even implied that, let alone said it. But if it is being interpreted that way, perhaps I should rephrase as you have. Yes, there are dishonest people in this world and some of them are PM dealers. Their rep tends to get around, though, and they soon run out of suckers, er, customers. A business that has been around for several years or more is usually a good one. Not always, of course, but USUALLY. 
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Valued Member
United States
200 Posts |
When I like a new coin, I generally go to ebay and just see the rice range the coin is selling for. I also check Ampex and few other reputed dealers. That gives me an idea of the price and other information and then I can go and check with my local dealer. This way, I am confident that I will not be ripped off.
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Pillar of the Community
Mexico
1304 Posts |
fitBUUL, Have you made your purchase yet? I noticed you had a variety of rounds on your list vs a number of the same rounds. For someone that was on the purchasing side of the deal, in the future, that could be a little unsetteling if they know nothing about the different government rounds that are out there. Having bought and sold silver before, I can tell you that the shiney is for those that are 'collecting' more so than the older pre-65 "junk" which is strictly for investment sake. With your purposes in mind, I would be tempted to avoid the shiney, which will loose its primium when the chips are down, and stick to investment grade silver FOR YOUR PURPOSES. Others state that primium silver will hold a primium in the future, which I agree with, if the market will bare it. If things really get rough, I do not believe anyone will want to pay primiums...which means you'll want to get silver that offers the most bang for your buck now. Suggested shopping list: 1/4 oz gold (~$482) 21 1 oz ASE rounds (~$768) 2 rolls of pre-65 quarters (a roll is 40 coins and is valued at $246 x 2 = $492) 2 rolls of pre-65 dimes (a roll is 50 coins and is valued at $123 x 2 = $246) Throw in $12 for shipping and you are at your $2,000 mark.
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