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Some One Has A New Hammer.

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 Posted 10/08/2012  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You are correct enworb.
redlee was asking a genuine question and deserves a genuine answer...Which he did receive.

But...But...is it PMD....?
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10/08/2012 11:22 pm
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 Posted 10/09/2012  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennysaver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It has to be PMD. If you notice, the newly impressed design on each of these coins is the "negative" of the other coin which has hit it -- if they had been caught in the minting dies a second time and re-stamped they would have a "positive" design. In other words, these coins show that the newly stamped part is stamped into the coin's surface, whereas on a genuinely re-stamped coin it should stick out. Something else to notice as well: in the first photo, the reverse of the penny has been struck with another reverse of a penny -- impossible if the coin was stuck in the die; it would have been struck with an obverse. As well, the pressure that the minting presses exert would, IMO, cause more damage to a genuinely re-struck coin than these seem to show. I have to agree with the original post and the hammer assessment for PMD.
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 Posted 10/09/2012  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennysaver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, and hey, I just noticed: congrats on hitting a thousand posts, wert! That's quite a milestone.
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 Posted 10/09/2012  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks pennysaver....That one got by me, thanks for noticing.
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 Posted 10/11/2012  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Old Dimes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ist PMD?
the question has not really been answered yet. everyone is simply guessing, right?
Personally I have no opinion yet. However, there are experts, Like MM. These people need to have the coin "in Hand" to evaluate it.
what I do not, or narely, see on this damage is "flux" of the metal. when you "hammer metal, the displaced portion has to go somewhere.
the other question is:
Is it PMD if it happened inside the mint regardless of how? hammer, striking chamber, emplyoees "making" a collectible.
I am always suspicious when it is "one"of a kind and the origin is not clear.
at least if it perhaps was in the striking chamber, there might be more than one.
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 Posted 10/11/2012  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PMD can also be seen because the design will be pressed into the other coin instead of raised like a coin that has been struck with dies. So if the extra design is indented into the coin you know it is a hammer job or vise job. I hope this helps the ones that were asking


Edit: I just read down to pennysavers post above and see he pretty much said the same thing I did. Sometimes I do not read every post and if I see someone ask something and if the next 3 or 4 aren't answering them I will go ahead and make a quick reply before I read the whole thread

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Is it PMD if it happened inside the mint regardless of how? hammer, striking chamber, emplyoees "making" a collectible.
I am always suspicious when it is "one"of a kind and the origin is not clear.
From my understanding anything that was done to the coin after striking the coin is considered PMD. I guess it really should be called Post Strike Damage instead of Post Mint but that is the term they decided to use instead
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 Posted 10/11/2012  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So, Bryan1315...There are what I like to call "Garage Hammer Error"...

Guess I couldn't be so lucky as to find 3 errors...correct..?
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