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Australia Calling - Correct Die Rotation For American Coins?

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 Posted 10/25/2012  01:39 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add karloning to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
HI all. Someone put a US quarter in the honesty box at work !!
It is a 2005 West Virginia quarter. I notice that it is 180 degrees rotated. Is this normal?
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 Posted 10/25/2012  03:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, that's normal - all American coins have 180 degree die orientation.
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Here we call it "coin flip" or "coin orientation" and the coinage of other countries like Australia and Canada where both sides face the same way we call "medal flip" or "medal orientation". As usual, this is very ethnocentric of the US because if I am not mistaken, most of the countries of the world use the "medal orientation" for their normal coinage.
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 Posted 10/25/2012  09:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That does drive some people nuts. Turning a coin over from front to back if done top to bottom it is OK looking. If turned over side to side, the reverse now is upside down. Where that has always irritated me is in Albums. The page has all Obverse right side up. Then the page is turned and all the coins are upside down.
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I didn't know that reverse rotation was unusual, but then again I haven't paid very much attention to world coins before. Good to know!
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Here we call it "coin flip" or "coin orientation" and the coinage of other countries like Australia and Canada where both sides face the same way we call "medal flip" or "medal orientation". As usual, this is very ethnocentric of the US because if I am not mistaken, most of the countries of the world use the "medal orientation" for their normal coinage.

Actually, the terminology "coin rotation" and "medal rotation" is very old, dating from the beginnings of popular coin and medal collecting and predating the United States itself. Back in the 1700s, many more European countries issued coins with "coin rotation" (the same as US coins are today). Most of these countries have since switched to medal rotation; America has not.
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Tangent: Is there any reason that most of the rest of the world uses medal alignment on their coins?
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No particular reason. From a certain perspective it may perhaps be seen as "more logical" or "more instinctive" to turn a coin over the same way people turn over the pages of a book, but since there's very little reason these days for anyone except coin collectors to turn over a coin to look at both sides, that argument seems weak.

Personally, I think the widespread use of banknotes in everyday commerce over the past 200 years has accelerated the concept. Banknotes are always printed in "medal orientation", just like any other piece of paper printed on both sides, despite the fact that in a physical sense it would be "easier" to turn a banknote around its longer axis. And it doesn't really make much sense to align the different forms of money in different fashions.

For me, the more interesting question is, "Why were so many coins of the 1600s and 1700s struck in coin alignment?", since most earlier (ancient and mediaeval) coins have either a random alignment or are medal-aligned. I personally think it has to do with the way early mechanical coin dies were placed into the early presses, rocker and roller presses in particular; when a mint worker installs dies into such presses so as both dies look "right way up" to him, the end-result will be a coin-aligned coin.

I'll also edit the title of this thread to make it more appropriate to the topic being discussed.
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 Posted 10/27/2012  01:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As always, a highly imformative answer Sap. Thankyou.!
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 Posted 10/27/2012  01:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The "Coin Alignment" is most annoying from a collector's viewpoint.
There are some absolutely stunning US coin designs and the annoying part is when they are put into a 2x2 album there is always one side upside down
Just having some fun here with this
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