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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Thanks for looking. Below is a 1696 (probably) 1/2 penny of which there are only 3 known (including mine) please see http://www.colincooke.com/coinpages...n_part2.htmlI have been in touch with Professor Nick Mayhew, Winton Institute for Monetary History, Ashmolean Museum, Oxford, who is quoted in this extract, and he thinks it was for General (but short lived) issue and hasn't seen or heard of anymore since. The coin was probably issued to make the statement of Williams divine right to the throne after the death of Mary. Please let me know what you as collectors would consider its worth (and thank you but not half a penny) because to me it is far more interesting than a 1933 penny. All thoughts very gratefully received.   |
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Valued Member
Ireland
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I would love to have ownership of it, I think I would also still call it a RARE Pattern halfpenny regardless has Nicolas Mayhew changed his opinion since the article mentioned above, where he says" It is a William III Halfpenny of 1696, with an unusual obverse legend"
All I can say is it's a Great Find Rooneydog, and as for its value.....MY OPINION IS "Its Pricless", but the value of anything is only determined by what someone is prepared to pay, and putting it into an auction is the only way you could find out.
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Thanks for your reply greeniejim, I think Prof Mayhew has always thought it a circulation piece
"The Seaby coin was even less well preserved than the Cowley piece and Dyer and Gaspar reserved their judgement, but the appearance of the second coin of this type in slightly better condition tilts the balance in its favour. The style and workmanship are good, the weight, 9.83g, acceptable, so this new variety is now tentatively offered as a genuine, though rare, circulation piece. It therefore seems worthwhile to place this variety on record. More examples may well come to light to confirm or question this assessment."
and of course you are correct in its only worth what someone will pay.
Its good to have 1 reply though - I kept thinking I was in Coventry.
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I too would love to own this coin. The only reason I did not reply earlier was because I have no idea of the price of a coin like this.
To me, the price of something and its value are not necessarily the same.
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Help out a poor Yank, rooneydog; what is it you mean by your last reference to Coventry? Am I missing some fine, dry British humor? (Sorry: "humour")
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To "send somebody to Coventry" is English for isolating them as a mark of disapproval. Real-life example - somebody in the workforce has offended their colleagues, so in the works canteen nobody speaks to them, and anything they say is ignored.
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Thanks for the lesson! Spent a most pleasant and informative day in Coventry last year; hoped this wasn't some idiomatic slur on the fine city. Also grew up near one of the first Coventries in the New World: Coventry, Pennsylvania (established 1717).
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OOOPS sorry Rooneydog, I misread yer post about Prof Mayhew......it was the bit "not half a penny" in brackets, I thought...........oh well, not to worry, what I would say is this though, YOU HAVE A NICE EXAMPLE OF A RARE COLLECTORS PIECE. Unless you need the money, keep hold of it,I agree with you its more interesting than the 1933 penny, even 1954 penny.
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Hi all, just been informed by Spink that it is a very common coin and they are not interested in it, am I missing something ?
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They are missing something.Cooke and Nicholson were slightly smarter and experts in this area.
It isn't a coin easily valued.It needs to be reported on.
Good luck in your quest.
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I am at a total loss here, If this is a very common coin, why why then is the only reference to it on the net on the COOKE LINK......Why then is it not even mentioned in any COINCRAFT books....Why then is it not even mentioned in the Spink Price Guide 2012, I have all Spink books from 2005..........no mention of it in any of their books. Until 5 minutes ago I held Spink in relative high esteem..........I have now taken the elevator to the basement. Sorry Spink you have just lost all credibility here from my point of view, I suppose its possibly one of those instances where the so called EXPERTS have got it wrong, I've just double checked the net with a google search for " GVLIELMVS DEI GRATIA HALFPENNY". Guess what.NOTHING EXCEPT COOKE. I guess this site is not worthy of the input of any high and mighty SPINK experts to come ant tell us how they arrived at their conclusion.
ROONEYDOG ...........EXPERTS have been proved wrong in the past, and I believe this is one of them occasions.
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Pillar of the Community
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Have replied to Spink, I await their answer, will let you know what happens.
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Very quick reply from Spink
"I have shown your email to one of our specialists and they have confirmed that judging from the pictures that were sent to us we do not believe that there is anything rare or unusual about the coin."
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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No doubt the expert looked at it when he got home from school.
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Valued Member
Ireland
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Probably their Expert was just back from a Liquid Lunch
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Thats weird - I found similar info. Its definitely a special thing, and yours is in great shape compared to the ones I've found online (2 of them).
Spinks just lost its credibility.
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