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Hello, Does anyone have any info on this coin. Country of origin, if it is collectable and has any value. I think it is from Great Britain. It is a 1795 Kent half penny and I have posted pictures of the coin. Any info is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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Very pretty Conder token. Does it have any lettering around the edge? Conders are copper coins minted privately or by small municipalities in Great Britain in the 18th century to make up for a lack of small change in some areas.
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"The Wooden Walls" are a metaphor for the Royal Navy.
I don't know enough history to comment on the reverse reference to "1067".
Conders often have images that continue to resonate, and there is plenty of demand for some of them.
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Thankyou all for your responces, much appreciated. The link you supplied alganbagerap is the exact same coin as mine and almost the same condition.
philadelphian...I never noticed it before but the coin does have lettering on the edge. I think it says Payable at Deptford Chatham or Dover.

I have one more coin and I also think it must be a Condor Token. It also has lettering on the edge that says, Payable at Birmingham London or Bristol. I will post pictures, let me know if you think it is also a Condor Token. It's a 1793 Coventry Half Penny. The coins originally were my grandfathers who was born in Scotland in the 1880's. They were then passed down to my father and then me. Thanks again all for your help.

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The famous elephant and castle of the city of Coventry! On your first token, the 1067 event is the meeting of Kentish soldiers and William the Conqueror; "Kentish liberty preserved by virtue and courage!"
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11/07/2012 6:26 pm
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It is important ( to some at least...) to distinguish between Kentish Men and Men of Kent.

Kent is the county in the South-East corner of England, and the natural staging post for invasions. It used to be two counties, East Kent and West Kent. After the Romans left around 404AD there were waves of Germanic invaders, Saxons, Angles and Jutes mainly. West Kent was mostly Saxon and East Kent was occupied by Jutes. This racial division was sort of preserved by boundaries, including the River Medway. Kentish Men are from the West(Saxon), and Men of Kent from the East (Jute). I recall when I was younger some local people getting a little upset about being called the wrong thing. The actual racial divisions disappeared many hundreds of years ago. This tradition would appear to be a vestige of the original racial split.

Your token refers to the Saxon - West kent, 1067 uprising against William the Conqueror, or "William the ", depending on your political affiliations. His half-brother Odo of Bayeux was made Earl of Kent, and through his harsh treatment of the locals sparked rebellion. This was aggravated by the fact that the local Saxon nobility had been deposed and replaced by Normans.

(Replace the smiley above by a term of abuse beginning with "B", ending with "d", which used to refer to a person of doubtful parentage).
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Wireman - after reading this I decided to learn about these tokens - I love them!

Their values are unfortunately quite low. Take a look on ebay completed listings to try and find your exact coins.

Oh- and if you want to unload that kent one - Id love to do a trade for it! However - if I were you, id hold onto them because of their family significance - thats something you cant buy at auction.
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Of course, the mounted figure on the Coventry halfpenny is the town's most famous personage, Godgifu, wife of Earl Leofric of Mercia (Lady Godiva).
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and don't you love the artwork for the elephant, complete with claws. Obviously, the sculptor didn't get outdoors very often.
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Now, Peter, not all of us live in Australia, where I imagine, you could step out your door at any time, and see majestic flocks of elephants galloping across the pampas (steppes?)
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I'm sure glad I posted pictures of my tokens on CCF. It's been great hearing what you all know about them and learning where there from. It's also been very interesting learning the history about the images on the coins. I always wondered what the "Wooden Walls of Old England" meant. All ships in the late 1700's would have been made from wood. I also think the elephant looks cool. Looks more like a cross between a elephant and a hog.LOL. They have been in the family for more than 100 years that I have know, so at the moment I am gonna keep them and enjoy em. If I ever do decide to let them go, I will offer them to a UK collector so they found there way back home.
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