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 Posted 11/14/2012  5:10 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ddjdlt to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi guys,
Unable to offer photo, been searching two full days. I have a coin supposedly from Denmark...I'm hoping my description will be sufficient.

The obverse has sparsely leafed vine encircling perimeter's field. There is a large crown above three large letters...C R S. On the reverse the date 1671 is divided by a crowned crest with three stacked lions within facing left. beneath the '16..' is the number 2, and beneath the '..71' is a letter resembling an 'R' or 'B'. It is silver.

Any help is greatly appreciated. Sorry about no photo.
Thanks, Dan
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 Posted 11/14/2012  6:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This should provide a picture of what you're describing, though precious little else:
http://www.webstore.com/Very-Scarce...tion_details
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 Posted 11/14/2012  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ddjdlt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's the one I purchased, but I can't find any info on it. Does anyone know the name of the currency, or what that partial 'letter' is?
Thanks, Dan
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 Posted 11/14/2012  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh! Sorry!
The three lions passant were certainly the royal arms of Denmark. Other coins of the period give the number of units to the left, and the first initial of the denomination of coin to the right. Still need to find out all the 17th century denominations of Danish coinage.
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 Posted 11/14/2012  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's not from "Denmark". It's from Swedish-occupied Estonia, the city of Reval (now known as Tallinn). The letter is "R", for rundstuck, the local name for the Swedish ore. It's listed as 2 ore in the Krause catalogue.

Here's the entry for it on the NGC database. Not that you'd know it; there's no picture. It's also not particularly helpful for valuation purposes as it's just listed as "rare". This example dated 1664 in the ANS collection is from the less-rare type (KM# 12) with a wreath below the shield. Your 1671 coin (KM# 40) was a one-year type.

I always worry when I see exceedingly rare coins being sold by someone who obviously doesn't know what they have; there's a strong likelihood in such cases that the coin is not genuine.
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 Posted 11/14/2012  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ddjdlt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you so much.
I had put a lot of time in looking for wrong coin. I bought it blind. Hope I made the right decision.
Again, thank you,
Dan.
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 Posted 11/15/2012  1:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So, you think the original seller just mistook the civic arms of Revel with those of Denmark?
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 Posted 11/16/2012  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ddjdlt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
philidelphian...
Hello,
Not sure. The Seller may have run into same problem I'm having... lack of any definitive data on value or rarity rating attribution. I've searched for reference to coin in past auctions (Heritage,etc.), and inquired to several major European dealers... no success, so far.
I did have one European collector suggest a specific catalog, 'Coins of the Swedish Possessions, 1561-1878', by Ahlstrom, but so far I haven't been able to locate copy.
Very frustrating.
Dan
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 Posted 11/16/2012  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I did have one European collector suggest a specific catalog, 'Coins of the Swedish Possessions, 1561-1878', by Ahlstrom

I have a copy of that book. Well, a 1967 edition of it, anyway; I don't know if there was a more recent edition of it. For this coin, it just does the same as Krause; lists it as "extremely rare" with no price.
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 Posted 11/17/2012  05:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ddjdlt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good morning,
I had a response from Numistatist Michael Peplinski from Heritage Auctions. He said the coin is 'indeed very rare', but 'there are NO auction records for it'.
I've never sold or auctioned a coin. What type reaction would one expect from Collectors at an auction, if a coin has no past performance to refer to? Is that a good thing, or a bad thing?

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