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8 Reales Go 1852 P.f. Counterfeit Or Real?

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 Posted 12/05/2012  11:08 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Chucky117 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello friends!

I have doubts about this coin, because I have seen some residual spots on its face above the date 1852 between the "5" and the "8" and in the "E" of the word in the cap "LIBERTAD", besides that there is a double "8R" on the eagle side there is maybe a double punch under the letters "E" "U" and "C" in the word REPUBLICA.
I wonder if it is the variety 1852/1 because you can see the number 2 and it's "filled" in the middle.
What do you think about it?
Best Regards,

Chucky117

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 Posted 12/06/2012  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The letters in Mexicana seem to me to be imperfectly aligned.

Is that just me, or is that real, and if so, is that normal ?
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 Posted 12/07/2012  01:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin is REAL or is a transfer impression of a REAL coin. Guanajuato was one of the first of the branch mints to employ hubs - so DOUBLE hubs are rather common in the series. I collect real double dies as a sideline and have several dozen mostly from Guanajuato. So the traces of an DD are not a concern. I am however far more concerned by the oddly shaped lump above the 8 which resembles an apostrophe. Lumps like that can often be found on cast impressions.

The issue of the overdate is far less clear however. While the OD usually has a nearly filled loop in the 2 - I do not see any of the traces of the 1 behind the diagonal near the base. I own an original of the OD and on mine the 1 is very clear and thickens the angle between the diagonal and base. The other 2 in the legend looks too close to the 2 in the date for me to agree with an OD.

To determine if the coin is an original you need to follow the normal routine. Weight, SG - edge laps and 30X surface examination of all transitions. Look closely at the "extraneous" lumps.

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 Posted 12/08/2012  07:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chucky117 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Swamperbob your comments are always useful to me, they enlighten me.
Regards
Chucky117
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