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Hi All,
I am compiling and researching these notes. If you have anything to contribute, please provide the following:
Image of front and back
Serial number
Sheet position info
Front and back plates
Thanks in advance. You can post here or privately if you wish.
I know that there are 2 for sale at the HA auction at FUN, and past auctions. Also I have the Bart info from his book.
Jim
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Pillar of the Community
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My late brother-in-law was a supervisor at Natick Paper for over 20 years and when they closed due to EPA issues with PCP leakage, was transfered to a paper manufacture in California. Anyway, below is some information you seek... ***A similar experiment took place in 1981, when the BEP produced a few print runs of notes on Natick security paper. The notes involved were Series 1977A $1's with serial numbers E 768 00001 H through E 806 40000 H and E 070 52001 * through E 076 80000 *. (Note that many references incorrectly list this star range as Philadelphia instead of Richmond.) One run of $10 star notes was also included in this paper test, making it the only experimental printing so far not restricted to the $1 denomination*** Note: The above information was found on the following website ~ http://www.uspapermoney.info/serials/all___s.html |
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Do you have a 3rd print on reverse E-H error from the Natick test currency (serial numbers above for the E-H block from Natick test paper), and if so, would like to view a picture as errors are my thing...
Edited by Broken-Coin
12/26/2012 12:38 pm
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If it is a 3rd print on reverse error, you can locate the exact location of your note by looking at the top plate number. A 32 subject sheet is divided into four quadrants, with eight notes in each quadrant ~ A1 to H1, A2 to H2, A3 to H3 & A4 to H4.
Knowing this, you not only the exact location of the note, you can also find the serial numbers of the other (16 or 32) error notes with the same error...
The 16 is if the inspector located the error after the full sheet was cut in half and correctly positioned that half, leaving the unfound other ½ sheet printed on the reverse.
Hope this helps.
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Hi Broken-Coin,
Thanks for your replies.
In your first reply, 1) could you tell me where the Natick Paper plant was located? 2) thanks, I know that part about serials etc..
Your second reply, Yes, I will post an example for you and others to see.
Your third reply, I am aware of the half sheet of 16 being flipped up-side down for COPE. But you cannot go by the sheet position printed on one of these notes and expect it to correlate to the serial number. The sheet position printed would be correct if fed into COPE right-side up. But since they were up-side down, the sheet position does not correlate to the serial for that position, but its flipped position. Example, if B4 was printed on the error note, the serial would correspond to F4 serial ranges. Picture the B4 being on the left side of the split 16 subject sheet, then when you flip it, it becomes the F4 on the right side. Hope I explained that well enuf.
I understand the how's etc, I am looking for more examples to answer many questions.
If you want to see what these look like right now, there are 2 up for auction by HA for the FUN show. They are lots 17161 and 17162. It may take me a couple of days to get mine to scan and post.
Jim
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Natick paper was located in Framingham, Mass.
If you would like the exact address, let me know and i'll contact my neice as she lives there and her husband also was employed at Natick Paper.
On the serial numbers, I think we have to agree to disagree on this one.
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Hi Broken-Coin, Thanks for the Framingham location town. Very close to Natick, Mass. I have my example scanned now and will attempt to post. I hope you will take the time to take the serial number and find the sheet position for that serial. Once that is done with whatever method you use, compare it to what is printed on the front of the error note. Hopefully this picture will be worth a thousand words. Let me know your results. Thanks. 1977A EH Natick error note with 3rd print on back - back view:  1977A EH Natick error note with 3rd print on back - front view:  |
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Update on building location;
I just contacted my neice about the Natick Paper location as her husband and my late brother-in-law was employed there.
The kicker is that her husband started there in 1980 and claims that the Mill never produced the paper...
I can only assume that it was so secret at the time that most of the employees knew nothing of this.
Below is a part of the message related to this that I copied and pasted below.
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***It was at 90 North Main in Natick.the building has been torn down though. I mentioned this to Al and he worked there since 1980 and said they never produced that but there is a place in western Massachusetts.***
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Thank you!
Yes, the place is now demolished. I have seen a couple of pictures before demolition.
Jim
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I grew up in Natick and used to go by this place all the time. It was set back a bit from the main road, though, so I never really paid much attention to it. I believe it was actually called "Natick Paperboard" and not just "Natick Paper."
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barryg, Thank you for that. Yes, I have seen reference to Natick Paperboard as well. Jim
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The 2 people I know that was employed there would use the term "The Mill" instead of Natick Paperboard in conversation. I wasn't sure if there was any type of name change over the years (as a NY paper manufacture in Piermont, NY had gone through atleast four name changes while in operation) and just referred it to Natick Paper...
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Hi Broken-Coin, Many thanks again for your input. Jim
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Jim61,
I may be three years late, but in this same catagory is my years long research on both Natick & Web Error Note Census..
As for the note's listed in Bart's Natick Census, I had to delete the 2nd,3rd &4th Note as it doesn't fit the serial number pattern used. All is mentiioned in the thread, and should anyone know of other confirmed errors, please post them so updated charts can be posted...
FYI: The Natick E-H Runs (60,61&62) are 40,000 sheets per Run, the E-* $1.00 & $10.00 Single Run each was 8,000 sheets...
If you would like to know how to convert the serial numbers to the notes plate position, it is quite simple to do..
Sorry for the long delay.
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Hello Jim, I am new here. I was doing research on Natick test notes and came across your post here at CCF in a google search. I have info on two notes that sold on ebay 12/11/15. I do not dare to post the item numbers after reading the rules so I will just post the serial numbers and plate positions here. They are consecutive and I do not know if they have been floating around the hobby so you may have these already. E79059661H PMG65 I believe the back plate is 3126 & E79059662H PMG66 back plate looks like 3128. Both are plate position E4, one of my two favorite plate positions. I believe the 65 sold for $381 and the 66 for $406. I was close but did not get either. I think the winner of both got a bargain and was prepared to pay much more. Thanks |
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I am the high bidder of both notes and after sending paypal payment minutes after auctions end, it has been two days and the seller has not confirmed payment or respond to messages & emails...
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