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1922-D Lincoln Error?

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 Posted 12/26/2012  8:36 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ray123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Just wondering what kind of error is this? The P and L in PLURIBUS is completely gone but doesn't look as if it is the result of usage. I have a 1911D and 1924D that have the same exact issue (1924D is missing "E. PL" and you is very faint). All coins are worn about the same.

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 Posted 12/26/2012  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello,

I would guess that this is a case of wax or dirt accumulating in the die orifices at the point where the letters are struck.

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 Posted 12/27/2012  12:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oddest looking date. Especially the 19
Mintmark looks different also.
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 Posted 12/27/2012  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madzdad71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Date does look odd. Fake '22?
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 Posted 12/27/2012  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CGCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The date and Mintmark do not look right. The D does not look like any I have seen, its REALLY sharp compared to the rest of the coin.
The 19 and 22 are vastly different(normally the 2's are slightly different), it just doesent match the condition of the rest of the coin.
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 Posted 12/27/2012  10:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BLadd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The CherryPickers' Guide has B&W photo's where the 19 and the 22 are just like in the photo above. It doesn't describe the issue, but it doesn't appear to be a fake either. If it was without the "D", then you'd be concerned about a fake as no mintmark commands a premium.
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 Posted 12/27/2012  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ray123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is this coin worth sending it for grading? Considering I am not sure how much it is worth as it is.
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 Posted 12/27/2012  8:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That "D" is bugging me.
The 19 can be explained. The 22 looks normal.
Never saw serifs like that on a 1922 "D".
Even though the 1922-D still brings in a premium
not so much to actually try to add a "D" to a 22 plain :)
I wonder if that is really a MM variety. I forgot again, did they just add the MM to the working dies or to the hubs ?
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 Posted 12/27/2012  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ray123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am pretty sure that this coin is fake. As my first post says there were a couple of other coins in the lot that have very similar features, i.e, missing PL. I had bought this lot few months ago and it contained a lot of foreign coins and a lot of Lincoln pennies and nickels, etc. Many of the pennies were in 2x2 holders and many were loose coins. while I was sorting through them I came across 6 coins that were in 2x2's but with no writing on the holders (unlike all the other coins that were in 2x2's and had a description). At first I only noticed 3 of the five coins were missing PL, now I can see all six are missing the PL. I also noticed a couple of other flaws/features that are exactly the same among the six coins. Obviously it would be too much of a coincidence for that.
The coins are:1923-s, 1931, 1918-s, 1931-d, 1927-s, and the 1922-d in the photos.
I spent some time on the net to find a fake like this but I couldn't find the exact match.
Any one has any idea when these may have been made and how and by whom? Any fake experts here? :)
Also I am wondering why fake these coins instead of much more rare pennies...As some have said why bother with the D when it's easier not to have the D and have a more expensive fake coin.
While we are at it, is there a market for these fakes? Are there people who collect these types of coins?
If any one interested I can post the pictures of the other fakes.
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 Posted 12/28/2012  04:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Any fake experts here? :)
Some would probably call me that There are collectors for fake coins. These coins are referred to as "black cabinet coins" Try Googling that.
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 Posted 12/29/2012  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ray123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks John1. What do you think these coins are worth to some one who collects them and how one goes about selling these?
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 Posted 12/29/2012  01:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yvairguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So where does this stand? Are they real or not? I don't get the expense/reward to fake these, could it actually add up to a payday?
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 Posted 12/29/2012  08:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mds308 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
John1,

I'm a fake expert. I got my degree on line at the Community College of Numismaniacs. My diploma was sent to me on a 4GB memory card. I have the memory card framed and hanging over my office desk. This proves I'm a fake expert.

As for the reverse, I have found handfuls of these errors missing portions of E. PLURIBUS and some missing portions of the O on ONE. All coming from the 5K hoard I have been going through. Clogged dies or maybe worn dies.

As for the date.....I have no idea but the 19 looks flattened and the base of the 22 looks like a partial flattening too.

Did you ever weigh the coin? When you say fake do you mean altered or fabricated?
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 Posted 12/29/2012  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ray123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
mds308: Take a look at that defect above the first you in UNUM. All the 6 coins have the same exact defect also beside the missing letters. Do your coins have the same issue? And there is another defect in the wheat that is common among all 6. So this is not just a case of tampering with a genuine coin, these are fabricated fakes.
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 Posted 12/29/2012  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mds308 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How did you acquire all the coins? Did you ever weigh them and then compare to other LWC? It's puzzling and out of my zone. I wish I knew more.
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 Posted 12/29/2012  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Windycity to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that the coin looks like a counterfeit. Date and mm are wrong.
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